FUNimation tries to make movie 1 fit into the story?

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:38 pm

True, the movies don't necessarily fit into the timeline, but I believe, and I'm sure many others here as well, that Toei actually planned for the movies to actually fit into the storyline. When they first came out, the movies still fit, since the manga hadn't gone far enough to contradict.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:38 pm

But we can't simply ignore the credits, that's the reason it doesn't fit.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:12 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:But we can't simply ignore the credits, that's the reason it doesn't fit.

... Wait. So, basically, you just don't want it to fit? ._.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:04 pm

Not that I wouldn't love for a movie to fit for once, but you can't just ignore that fact that Toei stuck that scene in the credits, pretty much trying to tell us that it's the same sword that future Trunks used.

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:09 am

I don't think they were telling us that was the sword Trunks from the future used. I think it was just alluding to his sword...like, both Trunks' use a sword.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:47 am

Ya. I take it as, at the most, showing that Chibi Trunks is following in his future self's steps. Now he's got a sword too.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:02 am

Still, there's the strength comparisons in the movie.
Like Super Saiyan 3 Goku being stronger than Gohan and Gotenks.

>_>

Not that I want to debate their strengths, but it's at least made pretty clear that Goten and Trunks' fusion was supposed to surpass Goku.
He said that himself

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:15 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Still, there's the strength comparisons in the movie.
Like Super Saiyan 3 Goku being stronger than Gohan and Gotenks.

>_>

Not that I want to debate their strengths, but it's at least made pretty clear that Goten and Trunks' fusion was supposed to surpass Goku.
He said that himself

This is Dragonball, and specifiically Toei. ^^; Sides, there are several circumstances that could've changed it. Just don't take it seriously.

And I swear to God, Jinnai, Kami, Buddha, or whoever, if someone starts a strength debate, KILL.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:13 pm

The downfall of the dbz fan community, strength debates.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:33 am

Right, a whole series about fighting, and strength debates are never to be spoken of!

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:57 pm

no no, the problem is they are overdone, over spoken of to the point most of us are sick of them

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:31 pm

The reasoning being that strength debates often end up into annoying "x>y=z>a" comparisons and pointless analysis of a cartoon series.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:22 pm

Goku was only stronger in Movie 13 because, IMO, of two reasons: 1) He powered up to the 100% power he spoke of in the Kid Buu saga and 2) Because he used the Dragon Fist, and judging by the way he was able to defeat Super 17 in GT, the attack draws a large amount of latent energy out on to that single attack, kind of like the Kamehame-Ha was stated to do in the Saiyan saga.

I think Movie 1 could of fitted into continuity, the reasons: In a Cell Games flashback during the 10 days of peace, Goku recalled when Gohan was a mere infant and almost died crashing into a tree, but briefly brought out his hidden powers for the TRUE first time, which kind of helps Dead Zone fit since Goku wasn't entirly surprised by Gohan's hidden powers, and I think the reason he was so amazed by Gohan during the fight with Raditz was because of how strong Raditz was (by far surpassing Garlic Jr.'s power). The issue with Krillin and the others knowing about Gohan in Dead Zone, then being surprised Goku brought him in the episode 2 reunion, I say it was just exageration on Krillin and the others' parts, plus the battle with Garlic Jr. had happened a good year previously since the dragonballs are active again.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:41 pm

The Dragon Fist isn't the problem. IIRC, he blocks an attack from Hildegarn and says "Is that all? Your punch isn't very strong!"

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:10 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:The Dragon Fist isn't the problem. IIRC, he blocks an attack from Hildegarn and says "Is that all? Your punch isn't very strong!"

Well if you have the fansub where Vegeta goes fuckity-fuck-fuck, it may be a mistranslation.

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:20 pm

Regarding Movie 1:

Yes the pre-Cell games flashback does legitimize the point. Also, as far as Movie 1 fitting, it seems necessary that it fit in the year before Dragonball Z episode 1 to legitimaze the later Garlic Junior filler saga. The issue over them knowing about Gohan I always thought like this:

-Goku showed up at Kame House numerous times in a hurry and the others never knew what he was talking about or what was going on. Recall after he defeated Demon Piccolo that he rushed there momentarily to retrieve the Power Pole to reach Kami's Temple. He mentioned something about going to meet god while frantically searching the house for his lost weapon. Everyone was confused about what was going on, and Goku sped off again without much of an explanation. I always saw the Movie 1 scene in that light. Son shows up, wants the Dragon rader and mentions something about Gohan, then takes off again. They might have assumed Grandpa Gohan, a pet named Gohan for all they knew. Goku was just in a hurry to do something.

-Krillin and Goku grew up together and were best friends, like brothers. Goku probably wanted to keep Gohan a surprise when he showed him off at the reunion. This is a stretch, and I readily admit to it, but I always explained it aweay by saying Krillin't reaction was an act to go along with the other's shock that Goku was a father.

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Regarding Movie 13:

Who is to say that the Dragonballs were the only way to open that box? They more or less used it as a plot device to call Shenron in the movie. The Wizard came there because he thought it would accomplish his objective quickly. I can't explain how the box was opened in Mirai Trunks' timeline, but there are any number of ideas you could dream up. We never see how Mirai Trunks obtained the sword.

I truly hate what ifs, so please don't take this as a serious example, just an idea to make you think around what you think must be set in stone.

Maybe the Wizard went to Namek, freed Tapion, who in turn became afraid and sought the aide of the Nameks. Perhaps they sent him to earth. Tapion in Movie 13 wanted Trunks to Kill him to end the threat of Hildegarn. Without Goku or any other options, perhaps Mirai Trunks was forced to follow such a course of action.

Far fetched and far stretching a theory, that I will not deny. However, it is within the scope of possibilty, however unlikely it may be. Who says the Dragonballs were the only way to open the box? The Wizard was just lucky in Movie 13 and was able to shortcut the process. Maybe in Mirai Trunks timeline he searched longer, and merely found the opening spell somewhere. Maybe Tapion appeared a bit later to Mirai Trunks than he did to main timeline Trunks.

All I am saying is that Movie 13 CAN fit if you want it to, and there are some things that there just isn't enough evidence to explain or possibly know what happened otherwise, but it is possible it DID happen otherwise.

Just some thoughts, take them with a grain of salt.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:01 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:The Dragon Fist isn't the problem. IIRC, he blocks an attack from Hildegarn and says "Is that all? Your punch isn't very strong!"
Well if you have the fansub where Vegeta goes fuckity-fuck-fuck, it may be a mistranslation.

Nope, I always make sure I find the best fansubs. It's not the one mentioned in the fansub section of the site (http://www.daizex.com/guides/rumors/fan ... ogue.shtml)

Mine says, "You've really done it now! You've destroyed my home! Don't get too close to me, 'cause I'm burning with rage!"

Anyway, the fact that Goku takes a punch in the face from Hildegarn, smiles, and then catches a punch tells me that Goku's supposed to be stronger than him.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:06 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:The Dragon Fist isn't the problem. IIRC, he blocks an attack from Hildegarn and says "Is that all? Your punch isn't very strong!"
Well if you have the fansub where Vegeta goes fuckity-fuck-fuck, it may be a mistranslation.
Nope, I always make sure I find the best fansubs. It's not the one mentioned in the fansub section of the site (http://www.daizex.com/guides/rumors/fan ... ogue.shtml)

Mine says, "You've really done it now! You've destroyed my home! Don't get too close to me, 'cause I'm burning with rage!"

Anyway, the fact that Goku takes a punch in the face from Hildegarn, smiles, and then catches a punch tells me that Goku's supposed to be stronger than him.

One word: Intimidation. Goku's been known to do it before, it's a Saiyan trait Vegeta perfected.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:13 am

Goku should have been knocked out cold if Hildegarn>Gohan>Gotenks>Goku. (Oh noes t3h mathmatics!)
Goku takes a punch in the face and acts like it was nothing, and easily stops a punch.
The point is, movie 13's power levels are all messed up.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:55 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Goku should have been knocked out cold if Hildegarn>Gohan>Gotenks>Goku. (Oh noes t3h mathmatics!)
Goku takes a punch in the face and acts like it was nothing, and easily stops a punch.
The point is, movie 13's power levels are all messed up.

Who really cares? Power levels are old news, this IS Dragonball Z, this IS Toei, and there are most likely certain condtions that could have changed things.