Animation Changes

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:18 pm

When do the animation changes (both openings and endings) take place in DragonBall GT?

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:40 pm

Hujio wrote:When do the animation changes (both openings and endings) take place in DragonBall GT?

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There are two sets of commercial eye-catches for the DragonBall GT TV series. The first lasts from episodes 1-26, while the second lasts from 27-64 (the end of the series). Note that the English versions have alternate angles with different eye-catches than that of the original Japanese.

There are four ending themes to DragonBall GT, which come in at different points in the series. (The opening theme, "DAN DAN Kokoro Hikarete 'ku" by Field of View, is used throughout all 64 episodes. It has two different animation sequences, the second of which begins with episode 27.) Here's a breakdown of when to expect which ending themes:

"Hitori ja nai" (by DEEN): Episodes 1-26
"Don't you see!" (by ZARD): Episodes 27-41
"Blue Velvet" (by Shizuka Kudô): Episodes 42-50
"Sabitsuita Mashingan de Ima o Uchinukô" (by WANDS): Episodes 51-63
"DAN DAN Kokoro Hikarete 'ku" (performed by Field of View): Episode 64

That help? ^^;;

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:47 pm

When each ending theme changes, the animation for the ending changes as well, right?

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:35 pm

Yeah, man... that's always how it is. The don't use the same animation through multiple songs.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:08 pm

I always liked that they kept "Head-Cha-La" in DBZ for so long and didn't change the animation too much. When GT brought in all the different changes and different J-pop songs by the latest artists, I found it was nothing more than an attempt to be like all the other anime shows on. DB and DBZ always had their own specific music just for the series. I missed that.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:11 pm

I miss that too, GT went a little overboard with the theme changes.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:27 pm

I'm not sure why, but 26 is a big number for anime. Anyway, I think on average a song would be changed every 26 episodes. 3 songs would have been good for GT.

I'm not complaining, though. I liked the music.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:59 am

I would have kept the same opening+closing credits for every 100 eps if I ever made a show.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:06 pm

Oh, come on Dayspring. You gotta have Variation... Can't we meet at every 50 episodes? ...FINE. I wouldn't watch your show. Nyah.

Okay, okay, I would... your fanfics storylines are too good for me to doubt your obvious writing talent.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:22 pm

If done properly, theme tunes can really resonate with how people feel about a show. Changing it can be risky. Think of all those 80s cartoon shows who's theme tunes remain stuck in your head to this day.

Changing the end theme though is a bit more Japanese, since Western shows almost always have the same opening and ending tunes. Even then, DB end themes were always used as the basis for instrumental music, so they still apply. "We Used To Be Angels" being used for the recap for later DBZ, for instance.

There is some anime that keeps it's theme though. Sailor Moon used "Moonlight Denthingiemaybob" for every series bar the last one. And sometimes they might go back to an earlier theme, like Pokemon going back to Mezase Pokemon Master for it's fourth theme (which, btw, is my most favouristest theme ever of all time yes).

Er, I've forgotten if I was making a point.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:25 pm

PsyLiam wrote:like Pokemon going back to Mezase Pokemon Master for it's fourth theme (which, btw, is my most favouristest theme ever of all time yes).

Hehe, I still love that song, too...

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 4:18 pm

I love the fact that there are people here who like Pokemon. So many otaku hate it, because it made the public think anime was nothing but Pokemon. I think it's still a really good series for kids. I like the values it teaches and I think Satoshi is one of the most likeable kids in anime. Not on the same par with my little Gohan, but still cute. I don't watch it anymore, since they've gotten rid of Bulbasaur(never forgive them!!

), but I still have a lot of affection for that show.

I agree with Liam about a show's theme staying with you. Come on, who hear seriously can't still sing the Spiderman theme?

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:15 pm

I never got over Ash giving away Charizard. Surely the most stupid move in all of anime, including "I'm just going to go and give the guy who wants to kill us all a senzu bean before sending in my scared child to fight him, m'kay?".

They made up for it though by giving him Totodile, who was absolutly mental. Yay for mentality! I haven't seen much of Advanced Generation though, which is a shame, as it's suppossed to correct almost all the bad things that had crept into the show in the Johto years. You think that the fights are slow in Dragonball Z? You haven't seen slowness until you realise that it's taken Ash and co 30 episode to get from one gym to another.

Still, it's a good example of how FUNImation got the music wrong. Sure, they changed the theme tune of Pokemon, and sure, sometimes they change the in-episode music too. But a fair amount is the same, some of the English theme tunes are good ("It's a Whole New World" being my favourite, and ALMOST as good as the tune it replaced, "OK!"), and the "new" music doesn't actually stand out too much, because it was composed by someone with at least a set of ears.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:25 pm

PsyLiam wrote:Surely the most stupid move in all of anime, including "I'm just going to go and give the guy who wants to kill us all a senzu bean before sending in my scared child to fight him, m'kay?".

Foolish maybe; however it prevented endless fan debates. Think about it, every DBZ board would be filled with "Gohan only beat Cell because Goku weakened him!" and no one would be really sure.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:03 pm

Satoshi / Ash should have never gotten rid of a single pokémon. Not even butterfree!

I agree, Deus ex Machina. And, it was also an act of character for Goku. Think about it. It's exactly like him to do that! It still pissed me off though...

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:42 pm

Heh. He had the most powerful butterfree in history and he sends it out to go get some. Now THAT's how you know a Pokemon trainer understands his Pokemon!

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:06 pm

I would have just caught the Pink one... ehhehe... wait, did it have a trainer? I don't know... he definately could have done something, though.

He had a deep connection with all of them, but when he spends 20 episodes trying to get a pokémon to appreciate him and then throws it out in a couple more episodes, there's something wrong with him. At least a third of the time they didn't even want to leave all that badly.

He had a freaking scyther for maybe two minutes. A freaking scyther!!! And then there was this bellsprout that some kid caught with his pokéball, that means it should have been his... Arg, the painful memories...

I really have to check out Advanced Generation if you aren't lying, PsyLiam. I want to enjoy Pokémon without having to worry about Satoshi / Ash's next awful move.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:07 am

Strangely, I got to see two episodes of it today. The theme tune is nice, although not as good as the Japanese version.

New clothes!

No Misty. Or, for Zack, Misty/Kasumi. But Brock! (Or Brock/Takeshi. I'm going to stop doing that now.) Brock is ace. Yay for Brock! Like Kame Sen'nin, he is wise beyond his years, but turns into a gibbering pile of goo at the presence of a lady. What's he going to do without Misty to pull his ear?

He's already gotten two badges! Considering that in Johto, it took about...20 years before he'd managed that, we're already up to a quicker pace. And some of the new Pokemon are cool. And vile leech spawn Togepi is gone! Yay!

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:19 am

Ya Kasumi has her own show now. And Zacko, Satoshi didn't have a Scyther. That was that other friend that replaced Brock, Tracy that had the Scyther. But I know what you mean, since Tracy wasn't there very long and Scyther is another one of my favourite pokemon, along with Nyase/Meowth. I mean, keep the Scyther around! That's one of the coolest Pokemon ever created! And I believe that pink Butterfree did have a trainer because that episode showed a bunch of trainers all letting their Butterfree go to find mates.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:07 am

It is times like this that I am glad that Dragonball characters have largely the same name in both countries. Otherwise we'd end up in this situation where we want to reveal our HARDCORE ANIME OKATU KNOWLEDGE while also secretly admitting that we are actually much more familiar with their English names.

Scyther was very cool. Although Scizzor managed the rare Johto thing of actually being even cooler. Rock!

And who names their son Tracey? I mean really. Sure, he may have been the only other kid who actually got a surname, but still...

And any idea if they'll dub Pokemon News Channel (or whatever it's called)?

Kanzenshuu

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