Toyble DBAF [June 9, 2012] Vol 4 HD release complete

[SephiVA]

To be quite honest, I didn't think that the whole Xicor plot and Broli coming back and all that stuff would ever work, but guess what, it is working. So maybe he'll find away to make sense of it.
To the extent of my knowledge of AF fanfic, which isn't much, those are the main plot-points, unless I missed something.

Broly may work, its still to be seen how its handled. He got passed the easy part of getting Broly back so far..there's still more to be done..not to mention I feel him bringing back Broly is a plot-whole to Porunga's powers (but I ignore it because I like Broly)

Btw, random fact: I re-watched some of GT yesterday...........it wasn't as good as I remembered it. I plan to eventually make a video series ripping it apart...I'm a critic/Reviewer..its what I do.

Amen to that bro. I just wish most people here knew how to respect eachothers opinions. I enjoy Multiverse, but I prefer AF because it has more plot, more story, more happening besides fighting. And it makes sense inside the Dragon Universe, Toyble even goes as far as picking up random things that were established in the canon, like the fact that Yakon can suck light energy, hence, he sucks the Super out of a Saiyan, and using that as a way to recharge the Dragon Balls, genious. His style is so close to Toriyama's that it looks like it was made by the master himself.
Toyble has a reason for Broly to reappear, and even goes as far as to say Goten and Trunks can kick the crap out of him.

Inplied but unlikely. One must be at least SS2 to hurt him (Like Gohan, Vegeta or the fact that Uub is strong enough now that he's Majuub)...either that or pull a "GIVE ME YOUR ENERGIEZ!!!1!1!!11!" OR fusion. otherwise..no, Broly would pwn.

Multiverse brings Broly and gives us hundreds of pages of Broly fan wanking demonstrating that Broly is an invincible mindless beast. That's one of the main things that drove me away from Multiverse, especially after that Kat vs Kakarotto fiasco, and now he gives us this Mary Sue bullshit that's supposed to be a funny joke. It's not.

I'm going to need to look that comic up sense no one is willing to give me a link to it -.-..Hope I can find it.

Oh well, look at me, ranting. Sorry about that, but it's my opinion on the matter only. To whoever's still enjoying Multiverse, go enjoy it and leave AF alone!

-nods- well said...sorta.
Makes me think of this though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

I always assumed Toyble would end after they finished the Xicor ark, I mean at the rate they release pages we have like three years before Goku gets revived

What other rumoured arks could Toyble pick up?

Evil Goku arc is the only thing that comes to mind, in which Goku turns evil or an evil clone of Goku appears, something like that. Those are the only 2 main arcs I picked up from the original AF rumours.

I kinda liked the fan idea of a female clone of Vegeta that is an andorid..I know its out there but it was kinda cool, in its own way.

Though some of ideas were lame, like SS Raditz? WTF? Pointless.

Well, not if the story is about the personal pain of the heroes having to fight their family/friend. Less "OH MAH GAH, GOKUU IS A EVIL!!" and more "the trial of facing a loved one."

Precisely why I want to see it. Though I don't see HOW they could make Goku suddenly turn evil, even if only temporarily.


Random fact someone recently pointed out to me:
Technically Xicor is a clone of Goku...as IRL the way clones are made is the way Xicor was created...DNA from Goku's blood turned into sperm to impregnate West Supreme Kai...so yeah. Granted, IRL its done with Sheep...but they just pointed me at Metal Gear Solid when I argued against them and mentioned the clones of Star Wars and Spider-man >.>

[Necrosaber]

Maybe all of the negative energy wasn't dispelled from the dragonballs when they summon him and it eventually taints his mind.

[jjgp1112]

Maybe all of the negative energy wasn't dispelled from the dragonballs when they summon him and it eventually taints his mind.

That would be an awesome concept, actually

[Scarz]

You guys are killing me!

Well, not if the story is about the personal pain of the heroes having to fight their family/friend. Less "OH MAH GAH, GOKUU IS A EVIL!!" and more "the trial of facing a loved one."

I would love nothing more than for that to happen but from what I've seen in Toyble's comic so far, when it come to handling characters, I doubt he be able to handle a storyline nearly that complex. But who knows what the future will bring.

I just checked Google and stumbled upon "Dragon Ball Apokalypto" in some other thread. In that one, basically some elder god of evil takes Goku's body, and Evil Goku Arc starts from there, basically. I personally think it's not a bad idea. The Dragon Balls turned into villains eventually. There's only 2 things left to do, another arc with Red Ribbon somehow (which I would rather not have, but it's kind of a tradition) and Goku turning into a main villain, I think it's the only direction to go, if he decides to continue.

Edit: Plus what JulieYBM just said.

Now com'on, I like the RR army and everything associated with it. In fact I would love nothing more than to see them make a comeback. But that's just me personally, I have small obsession with anything involving the military especially if it's fictional or Sci-fi related.

[Ussj Future Trunks]

I would prefer Toyble to build on the plot elements he's already set up. Something to do with the Ryushin and dragons. Namekian Shadow Dragons and they need to recruit Yi Long and the rest? A Maikaioshin? Someone other than Goku falling from grace?

[SephiVA]

I just read Dragonball Multiverse (all of it so far) and yeah..wow. DBAF is way leagues above it..don't get me wrong, it has some cool fights and is interesting..but its obviously full of Fanwank and has a few examples of characters that sound straight out of a fanfiction in a bad way....DBAF>DB Multiverse...too bad Toyable doesn't update as often as he should. =\

[Rocketman]

There's also that, y'know...we're already seen evil Goku.

[Ussj Future Trunks]

its obviously full of Fanwank

that was the point. Give fanservice fights. And the plot hasn't really started yet so yeah...Art alone is FAR superior.

few examples of characters that sound straight out of a fanfiction in a bad way

I can only think of two. Broly and Mary Sue. the latter is INTENDED to be a parody of bad fanfiction. and its not like SSJ4 Gohan, female Kai being evil and getting help from Goku YET FUCKING AGAIN is any better.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I just read Dragonball Multiverse (all of it so far) and yeah..wow. DBAF is way leagues above it..don't get me wrong, it has some cool fights and is interesting..but its obviously full of Fanwank and has a few examples of characters that sound straight out of a fanfiction in a bad way....DBAF>DB Multiverse...too bad Toyable doesn't update as often as he should. =\

The whole point of DBM is fanwank. That's why it's so much more popular than other DB fancomics.

And the plot hasn't really started yet so yeah.

It should have. We're 300 pages in, for pete's sake. Most other Manga would have actually started telling the story, by now.

[dbgtFO]

Bah! I think Toyble got away with Goku having another child pretty easily(she takes his blood wtf? is she too divine to fuck with mortals?) he should have made a hentai comic dealing with West Kaioshin using magic to convince him to impregnate her, that would have been more realistic

...On a serious note though, it doesn't seem too far-fetched that Vegeta, Trunks and Gohan could appear and fight the supposedly main villain within 20 pages. Remember, when Imperfect Cell powered up? everyone felt it and immediately headed in that direction(Vegeta, Tenshinhan, Trunks and Kulilin arrived at the scene). DBAF just portrays the speed the characters really have, because there is currently no battle going on.

That's exactly what I meant.

Yeah, I thought so I didn't think, it was that hard to figure out what you meant, but evidently spencer7x7 had some trouble

[dbgtFO]

I just read Dragonball Multiverse (all of it so far) and yeah..wow. DBAF is way leagues above it..don't get me wrong, it has some cool fights and is interesting..but its obviously full of Fanwank and has a few examples of characters that sound straight out of a fanfiction in a bad way....DBAF>DB Multiverse...too bad Toyable doesn't update as often as he should. =\

The whole point of DBM is fanwank. That's why it's so much more popular than other DB fancomics.

And the plot hasn't really started yet so yeah.

It should have. We're 300 pages in, for pete's sake. Most other Manga would have actually started telling the story, by now.

Yeah, well since it's a new arc like the Buu arc, which didn't have a plot until 345 pages after the arc had begun(Kaioshin telling about Majin Buu) I think it's perfectly reasonable, that we have received 236 pages(excluding specials).

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Yeah, well since it's a new arc like the Buu arc, which didn't have a plot until 345 pages after the arc had begun(Kaioshin telling about Majin Buu).

Exactly. Kaiōshin told the Z-warriors about the threat of Majin Boo, thus setting up the plot of the arc. No such thing has happened with Multiverse.


I really like how people use the Majin Boo arc to justify Mulitverse's plot and not oh, I don't know..... the Saiyan or Androids arcs?

I think it's perfectly reasonable, that we have received 236 pages(excluding specials).

The specials are part of the Manga. They are listed as sequential chapters. For example, the second Broly special is chapter twelve and the chapter where Yamcha fights #18 is chapter thirteen.

[rereboy]

Yeah, well since it's a new arc like the Buu arc, which didn't have a plot until 345 pages after the arc had begun(Kaioshin telling about Majin Buu).

Exactly. Kaiōshin told the Z-warriors about the threat of Majin Boo, thus setting up the plot of the arc. No such thing has happened with Multiverse.

Because XXI, who is presumably the main villain (even though its not confirmed), hasn`t fought yet. But he will eventually.
In the meantime, the manga has been great in making us understand that everybody in that tournament has his/her own agenda, even Freeza and the Super Namek. The manga is not just about "main villain appears, omg so powerful, how can they win, one or two plot twist, and there, a solution to defeat the villain emerges and they win, making the total fight count of the story less than 10". It has so much more than that (including many and great details).

[SephiVA]

There's also that, y'know...we're already seen evil Goku.

If you mean Turles, that hardly counts man -.-

EDIT: whoops..sorry for the double post..if someone wants to merge this one into the other one or vice versa..feel free to do so mods.

[SephiVA]

its obviously full of Fanwank

that was the point. Give fanservice fights. And the plot hasn't really started yet so yeah...Art alone is FAR superior.

few examples of characters that sound straight out of a fanfiction in a bad way

I can only think of two. Broly and Mary Sue. the latter is INTENDED to be a parody of bad fanfiction. and its not like SSJ4 Gohan, female Kai being evil and getting help from Goku YET FUCKING AGAIN is any better.

If that was the intention with Mary Sue..why do that on purpose? It just made no sense! At least DBAF makes their power levels in proportion to each other accurate. Now some could argue that they vary from universe to universe, but how much Broly did was just ridiculous! I know he gets stronger as he fights, but not nearly THAT fast.

SS4 Gohan makes sense because he's always been shown to be in his nature, superior to Goku and Vegeta, due to his Half-Saiyan Heritage (before anyone points at Goten and Trunks..know this 1. The trait that gives them a tail is a recessive gene for them, unlike Gohan 2. They slacked off, Gohan wasn't at first and given the right motivation, could easily be training again..especially if Goku is gone.) plus he's the last living Saiyan with a tail. Remember the fight with Cell? Or anything Gohan did in his fights previous to that?

A female Kai being evil IS odd, I'll admit that, but it works for the plot given and honestly..anyone would go insane for power (and likely flat insane in general) if that person had their ass handed to them by Buu after BEING A SUPREME KAI (aka Supreme God) and then spent many years just floating around in space, barely alive. As for getting help from Goku, it seems he's hinting at that they depend on him too much as it is. Hence making Gohan SS4 and even Vegeta keeps pointing out his arrogant side of HIM wanting to be the one to defeat them..honestly, even though Goku will be the one who wins the day this time, its obvious that its being hinted at that they depend on him too much. Besides, if summoning Shenron is the only way to bring him back, I believe that that will mean he can only temporarily be on earth until Shenron decides to leave again, and then Goku will have to leave with him again...at least until they think of some way around it (possibly via a wish -shrugs-)

Bah! I think Toyble got away with Goku having another child pretty easily(she takes his blood wtf? is she too divine to fuck with mortals?) he should have made a hentai comic dealing with West Kaioshin using magic to convince him to impregnate her, that would have been more realistic

...On a serious note though, it doesn't seem too far-fetched that Vegeta, Trunks and Gohan could appear and fight the supposedly main villain within 20 pages. Remember, when Imperfect Cell powered up? everyone felt it and immediately headed in that direction(Vegeta, Tenshinhan, Trunks and Kulilin arrived at the scene). DBAF just portrays the speed the characters really have, because there is currently no battle going on.

I respond to your first comment with he following quote of mine:

Random fact someone recently pointed out to me:
Technically Xicor is a clone of Goku...as IRL the way clones are made is the way Xicor was created...DNA from Goku's blood turned into sperm to impregnate West Supreme Kai...so yeah. Granted, IRL its done with Sheep...but they just pointed me at Metal Gear Solid when I argued against them and mentioned the clones of Star Wars and Spider-man >.>

on the second note: indeed. Nuff said lol

[Innagadadavida]

I really like how people use the Majin Boo arc to justify Mulitverse's plot and not oh, I don't know..... the Saiyan or Androids arcs?

Maybe because it's the closest to Multiverse? Maybe because it shares an art style and characters with the Majin Buu arc? Also, Multiverse's plot has been compared to all of the Tenkaichi Budokais, which far precede Majin Buu. Furthermore, what point are you trying to make? I'd rather have something closer to Buu than Cell anyway. Because I like having fun and the macho pissing contests don't cut it for me.

Also, there is no need to justify Multiverse's plot. How many times does this have to be explained to you. Multiverse isn't about the plot. It's about the crazy match-ups and fantastic art.

And come to think of it, the beginning of AF was just as flimsy and rushed as the beginning of Multiverse, only with worse art. "I heard there's a gorilla" "No way, lets go look at it" "OH turns out it was a bad guy who's stronger than anyone we have ever fought."

[dbgtFO]

Yeah, well since it's a new arc like the Buu arc, which didn't have a plot until 345 pages after the arc had begun(Kaioshin telling about Majin Buu).

Exactly. Kaiōshin told the Z-warriors about the threat of Majin Boo, thus setting up the plot of the arc. No such thing has happened with Multiverse.


I really like how people use the Majin Boo arc to justify Mulitverse's plot and not oh, I don't know..... the Saiyan or Androids arcs?

I did it because they are the most similar arcs(in the Z part of the series), both of them first revolving about a tournament and nothing more.

I think it's perfectly reasonable, that we have received 236 pages(excluding specials).

The specials are part of the Manga. They are listed as sequential chapters. For example, the second Broly special is chapter twelve and the chapter where Yamcha fights #18 is chapter thirteen.

If we count the specials and title pages we are currently at 288 pages, which is still far below the amount of pages it took to start up the Buu arc.

[Rocketman]

As for getting help from Goku, it seems he's hinting at that they depend on him too much as it is. Hence making Gohan SS4 and even Vegeta keeps pointing out his arrogant side of HIM wanting to be the one to defeat them..honestly, even though Goku will be the one who wins the day this time, its obvious that its being hinted at that they depend on him too much.

Then why not just let him fucking go. Why bring Goku back at all instead of having the characters who haven't been getting blown for twenty years do something on their own?

[dbgtFO]

As for getting help from Goku, it seems he's hinting at that they depend on him too much as it is. Hence making Gohan SS4 and even Vegeta keeps pointing out his arrogant side of HIM wanting to be the one to defeat them..honestly, even though Goku will be the one who wins the day this time, its obvious that its being hinted at that they depend on him too much.

Then why not just let him fucking go. Why bring Goku back at all instead of having the characters who haven't been getting blown for twenty years do something on their own?

It is a continuation of GT that's why, he probably tries to have the same elements as the previous series.

[Rocketman]

It is a continuation of GT that's why, he probably tries to have the same elements as the previous series.

Goku left at the end of GT and said Vegeta was in charge of protecting everybody now.