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Piccolo corrupted by malicious humans?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:20 pm

In the Viz manga, when Yajirobe is frightened at the prospect of 100 Namekians living on Namek, Kaio replies that they're mostly a peaceful race, like the God of Earth, and that the Great Demon King Piccolo was "most likely corrupted by the malicious humans he met along the way". But I thought God expelled his evil half, which turned into Piccolo, who was pure evil. So how would he somehow be "corrupted"? Or does Kaio just not know enough about God and Piccolo?

Also, what is said in the original version?
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Re: Piccolo corrupted by malicious humans?

Post by Godo » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:20 pm

I guess that it works like this:

Son of Kattatz = Son of Kattatz (good) + Son of Kattatz (evil)

Son of Kattatz = Influenced by the evil of men, although he has a good side

Son of Kattatz divides into Son of Kattatz (good) and Son of Kattatz (evil).

Son of Kattatz (good) = Kami
Son of Kattatz (evil) = Piccolo

Piccolo is the evil side of the son of Kattatz, thus he is the only one of the two influenced by the evil of men.

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Re: Piccolo corrupted by malicious humans?

Post by Herms » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:22 pm

The original version says that Piccolo Daimao was born due to the influence of evil Earthlings who he (ie the child of Katattsu) met before becoming God. So in other words, the reason the child of Katattsu had any evil to expel in the first place was because of bad Earthlings corrupting him.
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Re: Piccolo corrupted by malicious humans?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:25 pm

Herms wrote:The original version says that Piccolo Daimao was born due to the influence of evil Earthlings who he (ie the child of Katattsu) met before becoming God. So in other words, the reason the child of Katattsu had any evil to expel in the first place was because of bad Earthlings corrupting him.
Does that essentially mean that it was God that was influenced by the evil of men, not Piccolo? The way Kaio says it, it sounds like it was Piccolo who was corrupted, after the split (since he mentions "The Great Demon (King) Piccolo").
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Re: Piccolo corrupted by malicious humans?

Post by Herms » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:34 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Does that essentially mean that it was God that was influenced by the evil of men, not Piccolo? The way Kaio says it, it sounds like it was Piccolo who was corrupted, after the split (since he mentions "The Great Demon (King) Piccolo").
No, not God per say, but rather the child of Katattsu before he became God (as Kaio specifically says). The original wording clearly refers to Piccolo Daimao as having been born from this evil influence, and not the person to have actually received the evil influence to begin with.
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Re: Piccolo corrupted by malicious humans?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:45 pm

Herms wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Does that essentially mean that it was God that was influenced by the evil of men, not Piccolo? The way Kaio says it, it sounds like it was Piccolo who was corrupted, after the split (since he mentions "The Great Demon (King) Piccolo").
No, not God per say, but rather the child of Katattsu before he became God (as Kaio specifically says). The original wording clearly refers to Piccolo Daimao as having been born from this evil influence, and not the person to have actually received the evil influence to begin with.
Oh, so do you mean it goes like this:

-Son of Kattatsu becomes influenced by evil Earthlings
-Son of Kattatsu expels evil and becomes the God of Earth
-The evil becomes Piccolo Daimao


I hope I got that right. Anyhow, it sounds like Viz completely fucked the meaning of this line.
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Re: Piccolo corrupted by malicious humans?

Post by Herms » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:11 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Oh, so do you mean it goes like this:

-Son of Kattatsu becomes influenced by evil Earthlings
-Son of Kattatsu expels evil and becomes the God of Earth
-The evil becomes Piccolo Daimao
Yep, that's right.
Anyhow, it sounds like Viz completely fucked the meaning of this line.
Seems like it. For comparison's sake:

My translation: "The one called Piccolo Daimao was probably born through him being influenced by the evil of the humans that he met before he became God…"

Viz: "The great demon Piccolo was most likely corrupted by the malicious humans he met along the way…"
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Re: Piccolo corrupted by malicious humans?

Post by TheGreatness25 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:10 pm

I could have sworn I saw somewhere either Kami speaking, or someone speaking of Kami (such as the Great Elder Namek) about how "the child of Kattasu" grew up witnessing the evils of man and that is why he turned out the way he was. Could have been a dub line.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:40 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:I could have sworn I saw somewhere either Kami speaking, or someone speaking of Kami (such as the Great Elder Namek) about how "the child of Kattasu" grew up witnessing the evils of man and that is why he turned out the way he was. Could have been a dub line.
I don't think it's in the manga.
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Re: Piccolo corrupted by malicious humans?

Post by Herms » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:04 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:I could have sworn I saw somewhere either Kami speaking, or someone speaking of Kami (such as the Great Elder Namek) about how "the child of Kattasu" grew up witnessing the evils of man and that is why he turned out the way he was. Could have been a dub line.
The Great Elder does talk with Kuririn about how the child of Kattatsu had evil enter into him and therefore had to split in two. He doesn't say anything as specific as Katattsu's child witnessing the evils of man or anything like that, at least not in the manga. Maybe the anime or dub expanded upon that line.
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Re: Piccolo corrupted by malicious humans?

Post by TheGreatness25 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:44 pm

Yeah I'm not saying it's part of canon or even the Japanese one, but I'm so sure that I saw that. Maybe even Kami himself telling Mister Popo. Come to think of it, it may have been the first or so episode of the Garlic Jr. arc.

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