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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Innagadadavida » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:08 pm

bkev wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't like Colleen Clinkenbeard? She sounds like stock-kid-voice-number-two.
The more I hear it, the less I like it. But its still 100% better than the last dub portrayal.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by penguintruth » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:27 pm

DB_Fan1991 wrote: I think Schemmel is a great VA, and I get offended when someone bashes him.
And I find his Goku to be offensive. Guess we both have something to get over.

I wasn't the one who brought him up. Mr. Mark was. I was simply extending my own point of view on his performance. And regardless of whether I've said it before, the real reason you're complaining is because you disagree. If somebody else stated an opinion you agree with that they said all the time, you wouldn't say a thing. Don't act like this board isn't a constant reprisal of everbody's mostly unchanging opinions.

But as it's been mentioned, this thread is about Freeza's new voice, which sounds absolutely stunning in that commercial.
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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Innagadadavida » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:35 pm

Penguintruth... Sometimes I don't like you. But you are one articulate motherfucker. Respect.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by DB_Fan1991 » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:44 pm

penguintruth wrote:
DB_Fan1991 wrote: I think Schemmel is a great VA, and I get offended when someone bashes him.
And I find his Goku to be offensive. Guess we both have something to get over.

I wasn't the one who brought him up. Mr. Mark was. I was simply extending my own point of view on his performance. And regardless of whether I've said it before, the real reason you're complaining is because you disagree. If somebody else stated an opinion you agree with that they said all the time, you wouldn't say a thing. Don't act like this board isn't a constant reprisal of everbody's mostly unchanging opinions.

But as it's been mentioned, this thread is about Freeza's new voice, which sounds absolutely stunning in that commercial.
My last comment on Goku: MR. Mark said nothing negative. You had to be a jackass about it plain and simple, and trust me Schemmel isn't the worst English Goku. The Big Green one is.

Freeza on the other hand we agree on. I have nothing but praise for Chris Ayres' Freeza, and I can't wait to hear more from him.
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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Gaffer Tape » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:50 pm

Sigh. I wasn't going to say anything, but since you had to start resorting to name-calling, I feel compelled to remind you that, just a couple of days ago, you admitted in another thread that you consider ANY negative comment about a dub voice actor to be "inciting a flame war." I have to say that makes me question your motives for calling out penguintruth just now.
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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by penguintruth » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:53 pm

It's unimportant at this point. Best to accentuate the positive for now instead of turning the thread into lock bait. Especially when most of us seem to agree on Freeza's new voice.
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Post by Cootie » Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:13 am

penguintruth wrote:It's unimportant at this point. Best to accentuate the positive for now instead of turning the thread into lock bait. Especially when most of us seem to agree on Freeza's new voice.
Why can't we all just get along ;)?

But seriously, I am in absolute awe over how much better this Freeza is over the past dub. This is why I love Kai so much. My favorite show is finally getting a proper script and proper voice actors in a language that doesn't sound like jibberish to my ears.
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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by MR.Mark » Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:35 am

DB_Fan1991 wrote: My last comment on Goku: MR. Mark said nothing negative.
Freeza on the other hand we agree on. I have nothing but praise for Chris Ayres' Freeza, and I can't wait to hear more from him.
Indeed, I resent that I'm being brought into this just because of one fans never ending hate/bias/trolling for a certain voice actor. Sean was prominent in the nick trailer so I merely brought it up, but back to Ayres definitive english Freeza praise, by all means, please.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Coola Yagami » Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:22 am

Freeza sounded awesome. Goku was cool... but meh... too much MEEEEEYYYYYY in his KameHame Ha instead of a MEEEEEHHHHHH. I thought they were taking better care of the pronunciations this time...

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Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:47 am

Coola Yagami wrote:Freeza sounded awesome. Goku was cool... but meh... too much MEEEEEYYYYYY in his KameHame Ha instead of a MEEEEEHHHHHH. I thought they were taking better care of the pronunciations this time...
It's only the TV version. Hopefully they take care that problem on the HR version.

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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:21 am

It really has been quite the journey with Ayers' Freeza, hasn't it? Most of us were so excited when they announced a new Freeza, then rather disappointed when we first heard him, then significantly happier as time went on, and now utterly jubilant about it.
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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:31 am

Is it me, or did Freeza sound British in that ad?

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Kendamu » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:07 pm

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Is it me, or did Freeza sound British in that ad?
He's always had a bit of that to his voice in the dub, but it's just more apparent now that his voice is lower.

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Post by Innagadadavida » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:19 pm

It's kind of an American English thing. In my experience, British English is the go-to accent when one wants to depict gentleman, old fashion, or snobbery. Two of which apply to Freeza, I believe. Though the accent in question isn't predominant. There is a hint of it in Aryes's Freeza, if only in wording.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Soul » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:36 pm

Yeah I'm sorry, even based on that commercial, Ayres completely shits on Young's performance on like every level.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:37 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:It's kind of an American English thing. In my experience, British English is the go-to accent when one wants to depict gentleman, old fashion, or snobbery. Two of which apply to Freeza, I believe. Though the accent in question isn't predominant. There is a hint of it in Aryes's Freeza, if only in wording.
Yeah, like the main villain in Die Hard, portrayed by...Alan Rickman, was it?
Coola Yagami wrote:Freeza sounded awesome. Goku was cool... but meh... too much MEEEEEYYYYYY in his KameHame Ha instead of a MEEEEEHHHHHH. I thought they were taking better care of the pronunciations this time...
That's a bit of a nitpick, in my opinion. There's only a slight difference between the two sounds "Mey" and "meh". I said the word "Kamehameha" as "Kah-meh-hah-meh-ha" in school the other day, and my friends still said "Mey". The pronounciation doesn't have to be 100% exact correct all the time. I can live with "Mey".

The only time it gets on my nerves is when it's a complete shambles of what it's supposed to be. E.g. "Kai-o-ken" and "Kay-o-ken". The latter doesn't even sound similiar to the formal, especially when they get the correct prounciation for the guy who made it up.
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Post by Mewzard » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:50 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:It's kind of an American English thing. In my experience, British English is the go-to accent when one wants to depict gentleman, old fashion, or snobbery. Two of which apply to Freeza, I believe. Though the accent in question isn't predominant. There is a hint of it in Aryes's Freeza, if only in wording.
Yeah, like the main villain in Die Hard, portrayed by...Alan Rickman, was it?
Coola Yagami wrote:Freeza sounded awesome. Goku was cool... but meh... too much MEEEEEYYYYYY in his KameHame Ha instead of a MEEEEEHHHHHH. I thought they were taking better care of the pronunciations this time...
That's a bit of a nitpick, in my opinion. There's only a slight difference between the two sounds "Mey" and "meh". I said the word "Kamehameha" as "Kah-meh-hah-meh-ha" in school the other day, and my friends still said "Mey". The pronounciation doesn't have to be 100% exact correct all the time. I can live with "Mey".

The only time it gets on my nerves is when it's a complete shambles of what it's supposed to be. E.g. "Kai-o-ken" and "Kay-o-ken". The latter doesn't even sound similiar to the formal, especially when they get the correct prounciation for the guy who made it up.
I thought the problem was, when rushed, they often did Kameyameya during Z, but usually did the proper Ka-me-ha-me-ha in slower moments.

I haven't noticed any yas in the dub thus far.
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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:29 pm

Well, it was really that, when they would say it as simply a word, they'd mispronounce it as the name of the Hawaiian king. It was only when they called it out syllable by syllable that they would be forced to pronounce it correctly (and even then, particuarly if it was a shorter one, they'd sometimes just do an elongated mispronouncation).
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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by LeprikanGT » Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:58 pm

The new Frieza voices sound cool, the only one I'm really worried about is after he is 100% and start to get desperate and starts yelling everything.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Kendamu » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:00 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:The new Freeza voices sound cool, the only one I'm really worried about is after he is 100% and start to get desperate and starts yelling everything.
Imagine him yelling at Zarbon only deeper.

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