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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Super Sonic » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:13 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:It's kind of an American English thing. In my experience, British English is the go-to accent when one wants to depict gentleman, old fashion, or snobbery. Two of which apply to Freeza, I believe. Though the accent in question isn't predominant. There is a hint of it in Aryes's Freeza, if only in wording.
Yeah, like the main villain in Die Hard, portrayed by...Alan Rickman, was it?
That's because evil British accents rock. Had Rickman or Tim Curry voiced Frieza, think of how awesome that would've been.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by penguintruth » Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:01 pm

I think it would sound somewhat like LK's Freeza in Abridged. But deeper.
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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:24 pm

Kendamu wrote:
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Is it me, or did Freeza sound British in that ad?
He's always had a bit of that to his voice in the dub, but it's just more apparent now that his voice is lower.
Ayres' first form Freeza doesn't sound British at all to me, and Young's Freeza sounds like a grandma. So I don't know what you're talking about there. I hope this doesn't sound xenophobic, but I really don't want Ayres' Freeza to take on a British accent.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Hoppey » Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:47 pm

I honestly don't see a problem with any of the performances in the commercial, to me it sounded like everyone was bringing their A-game.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by DB_Fan1991 » Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:57 pm

Hoppey wrote:I honestly don't see a problem with any of the performances in the commercial, to me it sounded like everyone was bringing their A-game.
Finally someone who agrees with me. I can't wait to see this saga dubbed right.
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Post by Mewzard » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:42 pm

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Hoppey wrote:I honestly don't see a problem with any of the performances in the commercial, to me it sounded like everyone was bringing their A-game.
Finally someone who agrees with me. I can't wait to see this saga dubbed right.
I definitely agree as well. There's some good work being done in Kai, and the trailer didn't go out of it's way to disappoint me.

This saga, above all others, was one I wanted to see get the Kai treatment. A lot of attachment to that era.
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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:10 am

Mewzard wrote:
DB_Fan1991 wrote:
Hoppey wrote:I honestly don't see a problem with any of the performances in the commercial, to me it sounded like everyone was bringing their A-game.
Finally someone who agrees with me. I can't wait to see this saga dubbed right.
I definitely agree as well. There's some good work being done in Kai, and the trailer didn't go out of it's way to disappoint me.

This saga, above all others, was one I wanted to see get the Kai treatment. A lot of attachment to that era.
Not to mention it's the dreaded "Season 3," often considered the lowest point of the original DBZ dub.
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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Kendamu » Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:04 pm

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote: Ayres' first form Freeza doesn't sound British at all to me, and Young's Freeza sounds like a grandma. So I don't know what you're talking about there. I hope this doesn't sound xenophobic, but I really don't want Ayres' Freeza to take on a British accent.
It's not an overwhelming accent. There's just a slight difference in how things are pronounced that it feels like there's the remains of an accent there that isn't American.

Besides, if you watched the commercial you already know that he doesn't take on a deep British accent. Also, if you've watched so far then you already know what I'm talking about from my previous post.

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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:09 pm

Kendamu wrote: Besides, if you watched the commercial you already know that he doesn't take on a deep British accent.
I have. I agree that it's not "deep", but it's definately a British accent.
Kendamu wrote: Also, if you've watched so far then you already know what I'm talking about from my previous post.
Well, I obviously don't. Please explain. I've seen numerous clips of Ayers' first form Freeza on YouTube, and I don't hear a British accent at all.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by KaiserNeko » Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:56 pm

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Kendamu wrote: Besides, if you watched the commercial you already know that he doesn't take on a deep British accent.
I have. I agree that it's not "deep", but it's definately a British accent.
That's not really a British accent. It's just more "proper" if anything. A pseudo-British accent, really.
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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by ohaimynameiserik » Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:36 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Kendamu wrote: Besides, if you watched the commercial you already know that he doesn't take on a deep British accent.
I have. I agree that it's not "deep", but it's definately a British accent.
That's not really a British accent. It's just more "proper" if anything. A pseudo-British accent, really.
Exactly what I was going to say.

There's a difference between British and just fully pronouncing words.

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Post by Ishtar318 » Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:36 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Kendamu wrote: Besides, if you watched the commercial you already know that he doesn't take on a deep British accent.
I have. I agree that it's not "deep", but it's definately a British accent.
That's not really a British accent. It's just more "proper" if anything. A pseudo-British accent, really.
Yeah, I've heard Chris Ayres speak naturally before, which isn't far off from his Freeza. It's not a British accent, it's just how his voice happens to sound like.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by jjgp1112 » Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:56 pm

Chris Ayres isn't British. He just has experience doing Shakespeare characters.

That's one of the reasons why they had to replace Linda Young, because the writer actually wrote the scripts with Ayres and his Shakespearean experience in mind.
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Post by RazorX » Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:56 am

No, the writer wrote Freeza with the original Japanese version in mind. He didn't know the character would be recast in Funi's dub. Considering the circumstances, no one did. Sabat mentioned to the writer that he was considering casting Chris Ayres as Freeza and the writer noted Ayres' background in Shakespear would be helpful for the role.

If we take into account what Sabat and Schemmel said, Linda actually voiced for Freeza in Funimation's Kai dub on Namek up to an extent, needless to say the scripts had already started to be written for Freeza up to that point.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by gotensottile » Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:10 pm

This Freeza plus the correct diolauge is magic. Just hearing those words in English bring joy to my ears.

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Post by jjgp1112 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:21 pm

RazorX wrote:No, the writer wrote Freeza with the original Japanese version in mind. He didn't know the character would be recast in Funi's dub. Considering the circumstances, no one did. Sabat mentioned to the writer that he was considering casting Chris Ayres as Freeza and the writer noted Ayres' background in Shakespear would be helpful for the role.

If we take into account what Sabat and Schemmel said, Linda actually voiced for Freeza in Funimation's Kai dub on Namek up to an extent, needless to say the scripts had already started to be written for Freeza up to that point.
Uh...I'm going EXACTLY by what Ayres himself said :roll: . He said Tatum wrote the dialogue with him in mind and then was excited when he found out that Sabat replaced Linda Young for Ayres because that's what he had intended all along.
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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:06 pm

Yes, I believe I remember Ayres mentioning that in that Kai panel.
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Post by MR.Mark » Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:35 pm

At the end of the day the main reason for the recast was that Funi realized finally that young was always wrong for the part, end of story.

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Post by ohaimynameiserik » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:59 pm

All I know is that Ayres as Freeza is reason enough for me to believe that Chris Sabat is a genius.

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Re: New Freeza Talkback

Post by penguintruth » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:31 pm

ohaimynameiserik wrote:All I know is that Ayres as Freeza is reason enough for me to believe that Chris Sabat is a genius.
I wouldn't go that far. Sean Schemmel is still Goku and Kaio.

Ayres was a good move, though.
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