DBZU and DBZU2 seems to be officially gone now.

[Castor Troy]

If you were farmer, would you probably farm corn?

[Gaffer Tape]

Ah, so glad that DBZU is back up. I've had quite a bit of fun re-reading those old editorials. I do with Chris was still active in the fandom. First off because it was primarily due to him that I got into the Japanese version in the first place. But right now, I would love, love, LOVE to ask him what he thinks of these Dragon Boxes! I wonder if he could even fathom it.

http://www.animecauldron.com/dbzuncenso ... ial17.html

This, of course, is his review of the very first bilingual DVD, "Ginyu Assault." What I always took away from it most of all was his remark at the end saying that, with these DVDs and their missing content, he felt that the broadcast versions and his fansubs felt more complete, and that that was just unacceptable. "The contents of the discs should make me feel perfectly content to chuck the videos out the window, but I never can because I know that there will always be that nagging feeling that there's something MISSING from the DVD's." And, of course, what he's referring to are the lack of recaps (fixed in the Trunks DVDs), the eyecatches (fixed somewhere in the Androids DVDs, I believe), the episodes being presented as complete episodes with openings and endings (somewhere in the "Frieza" discs), and episodes having their proper credits and next episode previews (finally with the DBoxes). It's amazing to think that it's taken us nearly a decade to get a release that actually feels as complete as what someone recorded off the television and distributed on multi-generational tapes. Granted, I still won't throw away my fansubs because some of them have the original Japanese commercials and sponsor cards, and that's just fun! ^_^

The other thing I find extremely interesting is his comment about FUNi possibly using the angle feature for future discs, an idea that he lauded because he feared that FUNi might just use their own title cards exclusively. In fact he says, "Thank Kami this is the case, because if they'd dared pollute the Japanese version with their title cards, I would have been more upset about that than anything else." And ten years later, look what FUNi has screwed up now with their season sets, something they were actually getting right with the Ginyu DVDs!

So, yeah, it would be awesome to find out what he thinks about the current state of the fandom and the dub. I wonder if he's kept up at all.

[SJR]

You know, it really does bother me that those most interested in talking about Dbzu 2 here seem to be those that want to focus solely worst parts of it they can find and focus only on negative aspects of it while completely ignoring any good and pretending that none exists or ever did.


There are actually some very good aspects to it I'm rather proud of. Like my putting a spotlight on the music issues from the "Genterview." (Gen's infamous remark about replacing the music- which disproved Funimation's excuses about why they couldn't use the Japanese music) I'm also proud of the interview with the Toei employee (Jose Fournier I think? I know he posts here, EX has boasted about using him as a source on the front of his page before) and of course, the successful dual-music petition I started. I should point out that when Funimation brought back the original music that they did exactly in that format with the dub- dual soundtrack options which I believe was the first and ONLY time an anime dvd release has had that for a dub. (if someone disagrees with me, I'd like to know of any other examples of "dual-music soundtracks" for a dub that have ever been produced, or if Funi's for DBZ is the only one in existence)


"DBZU2...isn't that the one where the main guy went in a huge ass rant against Funimation in his Movie 8 review because Vegeta said "Darn it" instead of "dammit?""

Yes I did- and you know why? Because the site was DBZ UNCENSORED 2. A large part of it's focus was on CENSORSHIP by Funimation. Them censoring words constitutes.... hmmm, what's the word? Oh yeah, censorship. If you look up Psaros's review of the "uncut" Ginyu Assault dvd you will notice that he fusses very heavily about Funimation censoring something from the animation in the dub.

Also, for all my bitching about the cursing- Trunks actually says "shit" in Movie 9. I did get lots of people to e-mail and voice complaints to Funimation back in the day about many issues, including the censorship of cursing and that likely led to the inclusion of some cursing in Movie 9. (I don't know about cursing in the rest of the dub movies though)


"Kakarrotto" does not translate to "Kakarot" and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for this change."

You do know that review was written about 8 years ago? And that I issued a correction about the Kakarot thing in a news update about a month later on my site after having looked into it and having found I made a mistake? People make stupid mistakes sometimes, like Psaros's editorial about how the cast learned to fly (something I think he wrote before ever watching the first series, Dragon Ball- although, like me, he issued a correction) but that doesn't mean you need to harp on them eternally and use those mistakes to paint negatively broad strokes while. Particularly if a correction was already issued for said mistake.

Fyi, I consider my dual-petition that worked and then interview with the Toei employee far more "legendary" than one stupid mistake I issued a correction on before- I also consider the body of evidence and information I provided about large amount of Funimation's scripts pre-Simmonds being based on badly translated scripts from Japan, but you seem dead-set only on focusing on negative aspects about my site and work while ignoring any and all good.

Anyway, both sites will be back up again. Anime Cauldron which is my site host has just been having some hosting difficulties over the holidays, should be fixed within 1-4 weeks, after which DBZU and my DBZU 2 should be back up again. It'd be nice if some of the persons blindly flaming me while praising DBZU would thank or show me at least a modicum of gratitude or respect for having hosted it for the last few years when Dbzoa allowed it to die- but I don't plan on holding my breath.

Wow, you truly never will change, will you?

No one praises you for saving DBZU because frankly, no one cares. It's irrelevent now. As for your site, it's a copycat. Always has been, always will be. You can go on and on and on and on about how much you think you've accomplished, but face facts. You have never had any impact on anything DBZ-related. All you did back in those days was start flame wars and harass random children.

Of course, knowing you, you'll just ignore me and continue to believe that you're responsible for every good thing Funimation has done with DBZ since.

[Kaboom]

Wow, you truly never will change, will you?
No one praises you for saving DBZU because frankly, no one cares. It's irrelevent now. As for your site, it's a copycat. Always has been, always will be. You can go on and on and on and on about how much you think you've accomplished, but face facts. You have never had any impact on anything DBZ-related. All you did back in those days was start flame wars and harass random children.
Of course, knowing you, you'll just ignore me and continue to believe that you're responsible for every good thing Funimation has done with DBZ since.

You joined the forum only to bump a topic that had been inactive since the beginning of the year just so you could quote somebody's long post and flame them for it? That's not even a matter of noticing the rules or not. That's just against common sense.