Your inside "fanon" things

[Godo]

I believe that if Radditz was the main villain in the Saiya-jin Arc he would be a better villain than Vegeta.
He was a sneaky, traitorous and sly bastard after all.
That is, if he was as strong as Vegeta, and knew how to create an artificial moon.
And to add, he was Goku's brother FFS. Brother rivalry is much more entertaining than two strangers being rivals.
But I guess it would be too much to ink his hair. Toriyama-sensei, you lazy bastard.

I believe that Gohan's potential dwarfed Goku and Vegeta's. I also believe that Goku and Vegeta were as strong as they could be with their Super Saiya-jin forms in the Buu Arc, and couldn't become stronger.
That was the reason why they rather fused than trained.
Also, the reason for Gohan to become that strong was:
1) He had a greater potential. He could thus with his Super Saiya-jin forms always be stronger than Goku and Vegeta.
2) The reason why he became so much stronger with his potential unlocked was that all the waste that came with the Super Saiya-jin transformation was removed, and his power usage completely remodeled and made much more efficient.
And I also believe that Goten and Trunks have as great potential as Gohan. Not more, not less.

I also believe that the Ultimate Powerup was permanent, and it's power didn't diminish. Gohan could of course suppress his power like everyone else and become as strong as a regular human and function in society without anyone becoming suspicious.

[Rocketman]

I'll update it soon with those changes, as well as a more detailed explanation of my Yamcha & Chi-Chi affair theory (as well as why the hell I think Chi-Chi got a boob job).

Neither of these things happened, but there was a ChiChi/Vegeta affair after the Cell Games, resulting in Goten.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I'll update it soon with those changes, as well as a more detailed explanation of my Yamcha & Chi-Chi affair theory (as well as why the hell I think Chi-Chi got a boob job).

Neither of these things happened, but there was a ChiChi/Vegeta affair after the Cell Games, resulting in Goten.

OK, thanks for crapping on my opinion.

[Hellspawn28]

Movie 10 and 11 don't exist, I believe Broly really died when Goku killed him in Movie 8.

If Piccolo trained during the 7 year break, he'd be stronger than (or at least, as strong as) an SSJ2.

He didn't train?

I'm pretty sure he did in the past seven years seeing that he lived up in Kami's place after Cell was killed. I doubt he would become lazy and do nothing for the past several years. I always viewed Buu saga Piccolo without the wieghts on around Semi Perfect Cell or FSSJ Goku level maybe.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

I'm not sure why any of that would have to contradict what we're shown in "Plan to Destroy the Saiyans" or GT.

I assume that was directed at my post (holy shit someone read it!!). I dunno, I just don't care for the other depictions of the Tsufurujin...granted I have never seen the OVA, merely aware of it and its summary, and it's been ages since I've seen GT, but they just seem to be portrayed completely differently than what we get in that little filler flashback. Especially appearance-wise. It feels like these are an entirely different people with a vendetta against the Saiyajin and the name was just reused for convenience. So not necessarily 'contradiction', so much as I just don't personally like the other depictions of the Tsufurujin or consider them to be canon as far as what that race was like.

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
I'll update it soon with those changes, as well as a more detailed explanation of my Yamcha & Chi-Chi affair theory (as well as why the hell I think Chi-Chi got a boob job).

Rocketman wrote:
Neither of these things happened, but there was a ChiChi/Vegeta affair after the Cell Games, resulting in Goten.

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
OK, thanks for crapping on my opinion.

Too lazy for all the quote blocks

Dude, it's Rocketman. All he does is be snarky, crap on peoples' opinions (most of the time probably not very seriously), and hate Gohan with a white-hot passion. Get used to it.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
I'll update it soon with those changes, as well as a more detailed explanation of my Yamcha & Chi-Chi affair theory (as well as why the hell I think Chi-Chi got a boob job).

Rocketman wrote:
Neither of these things happened, but there was a ChiChi/Vegeta affair after the Cell Games, resulting in Goten.

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
OK, thanks for crapping on my opinion.

Too lazy for all the quote blocks

Dude, it's Rocketman. All he does is be snarky, crap on peoples' opinions (most of the time probably not very seriously), and hate Gohan with a white-hot passion. Get used to it.

Yeah, I know, just that it was my opinion, in a thread where people can share their "fanon" idea. And an affair between Yamcha and Chi-Chi is quite plausible, in my opinion.

[Herms]

I assume that was directed at my post (holy shit someone read it!!). I dunno, I just don't care for the other depictions of the Tsufurujin...granted I have never seen the OVA, merely aware of it and its summary, and it's been ages since I've seen GT, but they just seem to be portrayed completely differently than what we get in that little filler flashback. Especially appearance-wise.

Well, appearance-wise at least, GT portrays regular Tsufruins as basically short humans, like in the DBZ filler. Baby is simply unique in looking the way he does; he's said to have the genes of King Tsufru, but the King Tsufru shown in GT looks like a DBZ Tsufruian rather than Baby. I don't think they ever do give an explanation for Baby's unique look. I guess it's sort of like how Cell doesn't especially look like any of the people whose cells went into him, except maybe Freeza a bit.

Also, I haven't seen the OVA, but based on screenshots and character designs I've seen, Raichi originally looked like the DBZ filler Tsufruians too, but took on his more unique appearance only after being revived as a Ghost Warrior.

[nathantheguitarist]

SG2, I totally read your whole post too. I dig it. Except since I'm a little more forgiving on some of the outside of cannon stuff, like GT and the movies, I'll go with my little insight on the Tsufurujin that now also incorporates your idea.

Raichi and Baby both existed, but they were too busy plotting revenge and whatnot to notice that they had survivors living elsewhere. The Saitsufurujin were pretty much keeping to themselves in the whole intergalactic war bullshit, and trying to lay-low from Freeza and Coola. Essentially getting on with life, and just being forgotten about. A lost-race so to say?

Hell, maybe Raichi knew about them, and part of his hate was that he was resentful of his old race, coming to terms with a group of rational Saiyans and co-existing as a single race.

As for Baby having the DNA of the King Tsufuru, I got nothin'. I don't recall much of those episodes...

Hey, now. I know this is a thread for opinions, but criticizing someone's sexual preferences that might just happen to involve an erotic attraction to the feet of a male cartoon character is just uncalled for.

I think(hope) that you were joking here lol. If not, then you mis-read.

Also, I disagree with your Goku foot fetish and no condoms in the DB world theories. Goku's too dumb for fetishes.

I probably should have worded that better in the first place, but I meant the idea of Goku having any sort of fetish, let alone a foot fetish, is kinda overly out of character. But Piccolo Daimao corrected that to food and said forget it anyways, so... I digress.

Feet-Kamehameha is totally sexy btw lol. He should've done that more, actually.

I wouldn't call it depressing. That's just life. Kuririn was a bad lover, and #18's patience had run out. They weren't living in a house of their own; instead, they were living in Kame House with Kame-sennin. #18 planting Kame-sennin in the side of that plain was filler, although now I do agree that #18 probably would've taught him what's what after Kame-sennin tried to cop a feel.

And who says #18 breaking up with Kuririn doesn't make her a dedicated parent? Lots of parents break up with each other (I'm sure everyone knows a friend whose parents have broken up), but they still keep in touch with their children.

Dude, it's Dragonball, not life lol. I'm certain #18 has a lot of patience, at least long-term patience anyways. If she was patient enough to stay with Kuririn long enough to have a freaking kid, then I'd say she's dedicated enough for Kuririn, regardless of Kame-sennin. Regardless of filler, that could be any situation of that kind really. I like my idea of her putting him in the hospital.

Also, how would #18 consider Kuririn a bad lover? Regardless of what she knew prior to becoming a cyborg, she hasn't been with anyone else to judge Kuririn like that. I can't remember, but I'm fairly certain she has no memories of her past life/experiences. Which is why her name is still a number, right? Even if she lost her virginity at one point, she'd pretty much be a virgin again after losing her memories (and probably entire personality and conscience-mind).

I don't dislike you're opinion or anything, I'm just trying to make a valid argument with why I feel it'd be a better conclusion. Everyone else pretty much ends up happy by the end of Z (except maybe Chichi and the whole Uub thing lol), so I figure it a bit depressing if #18 and Kuririn are the ones unhappy, since it's Dragonball and not life. Thus my point.

(as well as why the hell I think Chi-Chi got a boob job).

Now that I'm interested to hear. Maybe it was Bulma's idea, and they got them at the same time?

Jeez, speaking of long posts that take an hour...

[Senzu_Bean]

Goku has a FOOD fetish, not a foot fetish. That is what the poster said.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I wouldn't call it depressing. That's just life. Kuririn was a bad lover, and #18's patience had run out. They weren't living in a house of their own; instead, they were living in Kame House with Kame-sennin. #18 planting Kame-sennin in the side of that plain was filler, although now I do agree that #18 probably would've taught him what's what after Kame-sennin tried to cop a feel.

And who says #18 breaking up with Kuririn doesn't make her a dedicated parent? Lots of parents break up with each other (I'm sure everyone knows a friend whose parents have broken up), but they still keep in touch with their children.

Dude, it's Dragonball, not life lol. I'm certain #18 has a lot of patience, at least long-term patience anyways. If she was patient enough to stay with Kuririn long enough to have a freaking kid, then I'd say she's dedicated enough for Kuririn, regardless of Kame-sennin. Regardless of filler, that could be any situation of that kind really. I like my idea of her putting him in the hospital.

Also, how would #18 consider Kuririn a bad lover? Regardless of what she knew prior to becoming a cyborg, she hasn't been with anyone else to judge Kuririn like that. I can't remember, but I'm fairly certain she has no memories of her past life/experiences. Which is why her name is still a number, right? Even if she lost her virginity at one point, she'd pretty much be a virgin again after losing her memories (and probably entire personality and conscience-mind).

I don't dislike you're opinion or anything, I'm just trying to make a valid argument with why I feel it'd be a better conclusion. Everyone else pretty much ends up happy by the end of Z (except maybe Chichi and the whole Uub thing lol), so I figure it a bit depressing if #18 and Kuririn are the ones unhappy, since it's Dragonball and not life. Thus my point.

(as well as why the hell I think Chi-Chi got a boob job).

Now that I'm interested to hear. Maybe it was Bulma's idea, and they got them at the same time?

Jeez, speaking of long posts that take an hour...

I just like to apply real-life logic to Dragon Ball. Just like some people say Goku's a bad husband, and Goten should feel more sad about Goku leaving him to train Oob.

About Kuririn being a bad lover...not necessarily in bed, but just in relationship stuff. Like not showing her enough attention, neglecting her needs, etc. You can't base a relationship solely on sex.

I guess it's just...out of all the relationships in the series, I find Kuririn and #18's perhaps the least plausible. I don't even see the point of their relationship. At least Goku and Chi-Chi had some potential in the form of Gohan, and Vegeta & Bulma likewise with Trunks (and later than that, Bra, to show that Vegeta had fully settled in with Earth life).

As for Chi-Chi's boob job...you can read about it in more detail in my post, which I've recently edited.

[Cipher]

I assume that was directed at my post (holy shit someone read it!!). I dunno, I just don't care for the other depictions of the Tsufurujin...granted I have never seen the OVA, merely aware of it and its summary, and it's been ages since I've seen GT, but they just seem to be portrayed completely differently than what we get in that little filler flashback. Especially appearance-wise. It feels like these are an entirely different people with a vendetta against the Saiyajin and the name was just reused for convenience. So not necessarily 'contradiction', so much as I just don't personally like the other depictions of the Tsufurujin or consider them to be canon as far as what that race was like.

Actually, both GT and the special show scenes similar to Kaio's flashback in Z. It all meshes together rather well, and is one of the few anime-only elements Toei managed to be fairly consistent with.

The only reason Baby and Dr. Raichi looked less humanoid is because they were mechanical (Machine Mutant/Ghost Warrior) bodies with Tsufuru-jin minds.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

SG2, I totally read your whole post too. I dig it.

Thanks, always good to hear that I didn't waste my time with a huge post like that XD

Hey, now. I know this is a thread for opinions, but criticizing someone's sexual preferences that might just happen to involve an erotic attraction to the feet of a male cartoon character is just uncalled for.

I think(hope) that you were joking here lol. If not, then you mis-read.

The joke was rooted in the fact that you meant food fetish, but you typo'd it as foot fetish (see the original post on page 4). I didn't misread, you mistyped. I understood what you meant, I just couldn't resist making the joke, since foot fetishes seem to be among the more common or at least well-known fetishes. But yeah, I got what you meant.

Also, thanks to Herms and Cipher for clearing up the whole Tsufurujin appearance thing; like I said, I haven't seen GT in ages and wouldn't remember the flashbacks, and I've never seen the OVA, I just look at characters who are supposedly Tsufurujin and react, 'okay, this is totally not the way they were originally designed...'...but in hindsight, that makes sense.

[nathantheguitarist]

Goku has a FOOD fetish, not a foot fetish. That is what the poster said.

But Piccolo Daimao corrected that to food and said forget it anyways, so... I digress.

. . .

I just like to apply real-life logic to Dragon Ball. Just like some people say Goku's a bad husband, and Goten should feel more sad about Goku leaving him to train Oob.

About Kuririn being a bad lover...not necessarily in bed, but just in relationship stuff. Like not showing her enough attention, neglecting her needs, etc. You can't base a relationship solely on sex.

Basing it on real-life isn't bad, I think it's fun as well. I guess the term "lover" was just a mis-interpretation on my part. Though to be fair, it was in a post mainly dedicated to conceivement. (which apparently isn't a word according to Firefox? Wha...?)

I guess it's just...out of all the relationships in the series, I find Kuririn and #18's perhaps the least plausible. I don't even see the point of their relationship. At least Goku and Chi-Chi had some potential in the form of Gohan, and Vegeta & Bulma likewise with Trunks (and later than that, Bra, to show that Vegeta had fully settled in with Earth life).

I too find their relationship incredibly and overly convenient. Kuririn always wanted a girlfriend since the beginning of DB, and Toriyama kept Cyborg 18 around as another "villain turned good" character (albeit a minor one O_o), probably out of popularity (just guessing). Least plausible, yeah, but that's probably why it's one of the neatest to most people.

*This explains why, in that filler after Boo is destroyed, Chi-Chi's breasts are bigger than Bulma's and she looks different--somewhat younger and more attractive.

Really now? O_o I must see this after-Buu period. Where the hell's Dragon Box 7 when you need it!

[dbgtFO]

*This explains why, in that filler after Boo is destroyed, Chi-Chi's breasts are bigger than Bulma's and she looks different--somewhat younger and more attractive.

Really now? O_o I must see this after-Buu period. Where the hell's Dragon Box 7 when you need it!

This is my quote from Piccolo Daimao's thread "Pure characters", where I first brought up Chichi's seemingly bigger breasts. This is also where OP got the idea of Chichi's boob job and its connection to Yamcha. Press the link in my old quote to see the bigger breasts.

(Goku said Chi-Chi was "flat-chested", so it even knew what that meant)

In this clip they look bigger than Bulma's She also looks a lot younger with her hair like that, probably even qualifying for MILF to the other characters(Yamcha).
But I agree with you Goku knew, what he was doing in both instances, when he wanted to take advantage of the Old Kaioshin's pervetedness and when he manipulated Uub into fighting him.

[nathantheguitarist]

Haha! That was a`neat clip, and a very interesting thread. It makes sense to me, so count me in on the "Chi-Chi got new chi-chis possibly for Yamcha" theory as well.

[dbgtFO]

Haha! That was a`neat clip, and a very interesting thread. It makes sense to me, so count me in on the "Chi-Chi got new chi-chis possibly for Yamcha" theory as well.

It's Piccolo Daimao's fanon, that they were made for Yamcha .
I prefer my idea of them being made for Goku, so he won't abandon her again much more, but the Chichi/Yamcha affair could work out just as well.

[nathantheguitarist]

Hehe, Goku would be like, "You got them made ...bigger? Are you sure? I can't tell... Uhmm... so when's dinner? "

*Chi-chi throws her arms up in the air and walks off*

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

That's actually similar to an (extremely minor) aspect of my fic universe as well; since it takes place a few months after Gokou leaves at the end of Z, Bulma - so insulted by Gokou's remarks on her looking like an old lady, considering this is Bulma we're talking about - finds some opportunity to gather the Dragonballs offscreen (or y'know, maybe force her husband and children to do the dirty work for her), and wish herself young (Cell-Buu age, be a little more on par with Vegeta's appearance) again. This is mostly just because A) I despise her end-of-DBZ design and B) it feels like such an in-character thing for Bulma to do, IMO.

I always thought Chi-Chi looks remarkably younger in that one filler episode, too, especially since she seemed to look pretty much the same (very slightly older in the Buu arc) for all of the Z series. I thought it was just to suit her 'housewife' persona, and it makes sense since she seems to 'let loose' a lot more in that party episode...because...it's a party. So Chi-Chi probably isn't really as...homely, for lack of a better word...as she usually looks, it's just the style she chooses, especially since her husband is the last guy in the world who cares about appearance. Her outfits probably just work in the same way to de-emphasize her breasts (ironic, given the name), so Bulma is always assumed to be the 'larger' of the two, but the party episode might actually be realis...

Why am I putting so much thought into discussing breast size?! Dear Lord, not only has Umineko no Naku Koro Ni soiled my brain, but it's spreading to other fandoms now too!! *weeps*

[mysticboy]

That Goku taught Gohan the Kaioken during the 10 year break.

[Innagadadavida]

That Goku taught Gohan the Kaioken during the 10 year break.

Think Chi-Chi would allow Goku to teach Gohan a technique that can literally obliterate his body if used incorrectly? Do you think Gohan would have the patience to learn it?

On that note, I wonder if the Kaioken would be compatible with the powerup the Old Kai gave him? Talk about devastation.