Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[p123]

@ Fox

Base Vegeta used a suprise attack on 19. Suprise attacks don't seem to be relative of power. Examples

1) Gohan/Kuririn vs Dodoria
2) Piccolo vs 50% Freeza
3) SSJ Trunks vs Fat Buu


Also, Vegeta clearly shows some concern over 20 absorbing his blast. Just check his facial expression.

And you are familiar with my logic with Piccolo's power as well are you not?

1) Piccolo is confident in his power
2) Piccolo is aware of SSJ Trunks power against Mecha Freeza
3) Piccolo hears that SSJ Trunks is not confident against the androids

Which results in

Piccolo ( Androids ) > SSJ Trunks ( Mecha Freeza )


And can be easily explained by

1) Plot device

2) Piccolo's fusion with Nail, dramatially increased his potential in such a manner in which he is able to surpass the initial SSJs, ( Goku Namek,TrunksMEcha) yet he is still not on par with the Android Arc SSJs ( Goku/Vegeta /Trunks )

[Fox666]

1) Piccolo is confident in his power

Sorry, but for me that's pure imagination...

[p123]

"It's not that I'm lacking in confidence...."


Now ask yourself....

1) If he's not lacking in confidence, what does that mean? He has confidence.


2) What does he have confidence in? Power obviously, that's the only thing that matters.

[Fox666]

2) What does he have confidence in? Power obviously, that's the only thing that matters.

For me that's pure non-sense.

That's an obsession for battle powers, anything a character says is related to battle power...

[Taku128]

I take my arbitrary numbers very seriously and I won't have you shitting all over my speculation.

[p123]

Ok, so you tell me Fox.

What is Piccolo confident in then? And why isn't Kuririn confident? You mad that is directly goes against your logic?

[Fox666]

I am not mad. I don't care at all.

And why are you accusing me like this was a evolution vs bible discussion?

[p123]

So why is Piccolo confident then Fox?

How would it make sense for Piccolo to be confident at all, if he was weaker than SSJ Trunks, who he knows is no match for the androids. Wouldn't it make sense for Piccolo to be lacking in confidence, instead of being confident?

You have probably never seen this kind of approach. Similar to like in the court of law type of scenario, but you have to agree, that logic is pretty darn sound wouldn't you agree?


I don't know, your saying my POV is pure-nonsense. Generally for you to reflect such a negative thought, perhaps emotions would be involved.

[Kaboom]

I'm a pretty decent soccer player.

I used to play it a lot during my middle school years, with a bunch of other kids my age in our county's homeschool group, and I was one of the few who took it semi-seriously and actually got good at it. When I play it nowadays at church picnics and what-not, I'm often one of the more effective players. All in all, I could say I'm "confident" in my soccer skills.

That doesn't automatically mean I'm better than the professional players I just watched on TV. Especially if I'm not necessarily even meant to play against them.



We're pulling "you mad" quips now? Really?

[p123]

Kaboom check this out.

1) You watched Fox play soccer.
2) Fox is much much better than you.
3) Fox says P123 is much better than he is.
4) You train soccer for three years, yet you know Fox 3 years ago was still much better than you are now.


Kaboom, are you confident in your chances going up against P123 in soccer? Why?

[Fox666]

I don't know, your saying my POV is pure-nonsense. Generally for you to reflect such a negative thought, perhaps emotions would be involved.

Sorry, I did not meant it was non-sense as a offense. I said it was non-sense because I think it's non-sense.

Example of non-sense:

- Piccolo: my poop is bigger than your Goku!!
OMG piccolo >> ssj goku

[Kaboom]

Kaboom, are you confident in your chances going up against P123 in soccer? Why?

I'd sure be confident in my own soccer skills since they've improved, but I'd still definitely be wary and have a really bad feeling about potentially facing p123 in soccer. Even if my teammates asked me to sit on the bleachers if the game got too intense for me.

[p123]

So why isn't Kuririn confident. He improved as well...

[Rocketman]

Piccolo isn't fighting the Androids alone. He has Super Saiyan Goku backing him up.

[Herms]

Not wanting to repeat Kaboom's folly of going beneath the divinely ordained minimum figures, after several pico-seconds of thought I came up with the following list:

Mecha Freeza: 1,200,000,000

SSj Trunks: 180,000,000,000

No.17: 3,060,000,000,000

No.16, first-form Cell: 480,000,000,000,000

Second-form Cell: 249,120,000,000,000,000,000

Super Vegeta: 4,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Perfect Cell: 32,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Ssj2 Gohan: 160,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Majin Vegeta: 165,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Majin Boo: 146,520,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Ssj3 Goku: 22,338,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Evil Boo: 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999

Ssj3 Gotenks: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,001

Ultimate Gohan:
6,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777

Boo (Gohan-absorbed): 677,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,777,
777,777,700,000,000,000,000,000

Vegetto: 519,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000

[Rocketman]

Vegetto: 5.19x10^523

What in the hell where you thinking, giving numbers like that? That's far, far too low!

[p123]

I have Vegetto in the low trillions range. I don't see why he would be so strong. The AxB formula won't work for KibitoShin , Gokan, or Gokule. So I don't think it's accurate IMO.



Herms I think you lost me over there. I am a big proponent in having some sort of standardized percentile system. I think it's crazy to have one fight with an 80% gap fight evenly and then have another with a 94% gap have a vastly different dominating fight. Ki is the main proponent. I just don't see how complete randomess would be a more favorable standard then using a percentile system ...

[dbgtFO]

Herms I think you lost me over there. I am a big proponent in having some sort of standardized percentile system. I think it's crazy to have one fight with an 80% gap fight evenly and then have another with a 94% gap have a vastly different dominating fight. Ki is the main proponent. I just don't see how complete randomess would be a more favorable standard then using a percentile system ...

@p123 Hate to break it to you, but Herms' Battle Power chart is just as good as yours.

[Kiyza]

Herms I think you lost me over there. I am a big proponent in having some sort of standardized percentile system. I think it's crazy to have one fight with an 80% gap fight evenly and then have another with a 94% gap have a vastly different dominating fight. Ki is the main proponent. I just don't see how complete randomess would be a more favorable standard then using a percentile system ...

@p123 Hate to break it to you, but Herms' Battle Power chart is just as good as yours.

Indeed. Herms is just proving a point. Your list could be right, his could be right, Kaboom's could be right, the very next poster could be right. But the thread really isn't here to have a heated arguments about how one person's battle powers are better than another's, it's to have fun making the lists in the first place. Constructive criticism is good and fine, but when it drags out for page upon page with no end in site, it looses its charm.

[Rocketman]

I don't see why he would be so strong.

Because he's motherfucking Vegetto.

The AxB formula won't work for KibitoShin , Gokan, or Gokule.

The formula explicitly says "Vegetto = Goku x Vegeta". It says nothing about those losers.