How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

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How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Shineman » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:24 am

Some say that Trunks and Goten are around 18's level, considering they were able to keep up with her.

Then there was that special where Goten and Trunks were evenly matching those two aliens (Forgot their names) stronger than Frieza
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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Kaboom » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:29 am

Shineman wrote:Some say that Trunks and Goten are around 18's level, considering they were able to keep up with her.
The most we can potentially get out of that fight is that, as Super Saiyans, they are a potential threat to her. Not necessarily stronger or weaker, but strong enough to get her attention.
Then there was that special where Goten and Trunks were evenly matching those two aliens (Forgot their names) stronger than Freeza
Well, 99.99999% of the mortal universe have no idea that Freeza was anything more than the small spikey dude in the hoverchair with a Battle Power of 530,000. Only his most direct and trusted underlings knew he could transform and get any stronger than that (since he practically never needed to). So I'd be careful in how one interprets any such claims of being "stronger than Freeza."
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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Savage68 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:35 am

Shineman wrote:Some say that Trunks and Goten are around 18's level, considering they were able to keep up with her.
A suppressed ki blast from Trunks forced #18's hand into using a potentially lethal technique to end the match, and she did specifically cite the blast's speed and power. They're stronger than her, as Super Saiyans.

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by cpd12589 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:44 am

I don't know exactly how strong Goten and Kid Trunks are in their base forms but as SSJ's the are definitely stronger than C18. SSJ Goten and SSJ Kid Trunks outclass C18 by a good amount actually.

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by painfuldeath » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:30 am

It's hard to say because they only fought against themselves and collectively against C18. My guess is they are about as strong as Goku/Vegeta/Trunks at the start of the android saga. This would put their strength just bellow C18 who could easily handle Vegeta but could perhaps be beaten if attacked by two SS at once (as hinted upon by C17 before she fought Vegeta).

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Savage68 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:40 am

painfuldeath wrote:It's hard to say because they only fought against themselves and collectively against C18.
Trunks fought #18, not "Trunks and Goten."

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:25 am

Shineman wrote:Some say that Trunks and Goten are around 18's level, considering they were able to keep up with her.

Then there was that special where Goten and Trunks were evenly matching those two aliens (Forgot their names) stronger than Freeza
Ridiculously strong!!
Gohan has trouble fighting his little brother Goten...
Gohan after finding out that Trunks is even stronger, than Goten realizes he could be in trouble at the Tournament..!
Vegeta having trouble dodging all of Trunks' attacks...
Vegeta actually being hit!
Another scene of Gohan vs. Goten...
Who knows? We know Goten was a good sparring partner for a rusty Gohan, who can't fight to the best of his abilities.
And then we are shown, that Vegeta actually got hit, by Trunks.

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Senzu_Bean » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:51 am

I think they are at pair with #18. Not necessarily equal but at pair with her. I mean they're strong but both of them have ridiculous low bases.

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:45 am

Stronger than #18 by a good amount.
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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Fox666 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:55 am

She got the upper hand against Trunks base form, but she was VERY scared by a blast he fires from his finger as a SSJ...

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Nazi Cola » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:02 pm

I'd say they're near her in their Base forms, and above her by a large amount while Super Saiyan.
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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Savage68 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:19 pm

dbgtFO wrote:And then we are shown, that Vegeta actually got hit, by Trunks.
No, Vegeta's face was grazed by Trunks.

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by painfuldeath » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:44 pm

Savage68 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:And then we are shown, that Vegeta actually got hit, by Trunks.
No, Vegeta's face was grazed by Trunks.
Not to mention that neither Vegeta or Gohan were seriously fighting Trunks/Goten.

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:09 pm

Savage68 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:And then we are shown, that Vegeta actually got hit, by Trunks.
No, Vegeta's face was grazed by Trunks.
Either way Vegeta tried to prevent Trunks from touching his face, yet he couldn't.
painfuldeath wrote:Not to mention that neither Vegeta or Gohan were seriously fighting Trunks/Goten.
I'm not trying to say, they are comparable to Vegeta/Gohan, but I'm showing they are ridiculously strong and talented, just as their sparring with the veterans show us.

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Savage68 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:13 pm

dbgtFO wrote:Either way Vegeta tried to prevent Trunks from touching his face, yet he couldn't.
That goes without saying, and still doesn't prove anything other than "Trunks was underestimated."

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Senzu_Bean » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:33 pm

They are only ridiculous strong for their ages. Trunks struggled in a gravity that shouldn't be a problem for pretty much everybody after those 3 years of training.

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:38 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:They are only ridiculous strong for their ages. Trunks struggled in a gravity that shouldn't be a problem for pretty much everybody after those 3 years of training.
Lolwut? explain, why you think other characters shouldn't have a problem in 150x Earth's gravity, when the highest people like Piccolo and the Earthlings have experienced was 6,66% of that.

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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Senzu_Bean » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:43 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:They are only ridiculous strong for their ages. Trunks struggled in a gravity that shouldn't be a problem for pretty much everybody after those 3 years of training.
Lolwut? explain, why you think other characters shouldn't have a problem in 150x Earth's gravity, when the highest people like Piccolo and the Earthlings have experienced was 6,66% of that.
How strong you are dictates how much gravity you can handle, not what you previously experienced.
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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:44 pm

Nazi Cola wrote:I'd say they're near her in their Base forms, and above her by a large amount while Super Saiyan.
Nah, I wouldn't say that Goten and Trunks are anywhere near #18 in their base forms. When they fought, #18 was still under the impression that she was fighting an Earthling with abnormal strength, and had the upper hand against them.

However, I do think that, like Kaboom said, as Super Saiyans, you can't necessarily say they're stronger or weaker than #18 for sure. To be safe, I'd say they're around #18's level. Even with #18 shitting herself from a suppressed ki blast from Trunks, you could easily argue that she was surprised by their power and speed, just like Gohan, Vegeta and Piccolo were (and they were obviously stronger than the kids), and knew that they'd be a potential threat, so she'd rather end the match swiftly by exposing them than take the risk of losing against them.
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Senzu_Bean wrote:They are only ridiculous strong for their ages. Trunks struggled in a gravity that shouldn't be a problem for pretty much everybody after those 3 years of training.
Lolwut? explain, why you think other characters shouldn't have a problem in 150x Earth's gravity, when the highest people like Piccolo and the Earthlings have experienced was 6,66% of that.
How stronger you are dictates how much gravity you can handle.
Fuck no, it doesn't. Yamcha was much stronger than Goku's 416 at the beginning of the series, yet he still had trouble with x10 gravity, just like Goku did when he first arrived at Kaio's planet. You need to be trained in the body to handle gravity, rather than it just being a matter of strength. Vegeta was the only one in the series who had trained at over x100 gravity, so it's no wonder Trunks crumbled under x150.
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Re: How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

Post by Senzu_Bean » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:53 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Fuck no, it doesn't. Yamcha was much stronger than Goku's 416 at the beginning of the series, yet he still had trouble with x10 gravity, just like Goku did when he first arrived at Kaio's planet.
So?!
Piccolo Daimao wrote:You need to be trained in the body to handle gravity, rather than it just being a matter of strength.
Then why doesn't Goku dies in x10 gravity? He should only be able to handle x1,1.
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Vegeta was the only one in the series who had trained at over x100 gravity, so it's no wonder Trunks crumbled under x150.
So Trunks have been training in the gravity room since x1,1 gravity?
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