Times when Vegeta is stronger than Goku

[p123]

From the moment Goku is born, until Goku fights Vegeta, Vegeta is superior. Goku remains superior until the Androids Saga-Cell Saga , and then Goku is stronger once again.


Nice simple and clean eh? Don't forget that Goku has Kaioken throughout the Namek Saga, so even if Vegeta is stronger in his base, Goku has his Kaioken and is likely stronger throughout...

[Fox666]

Vegeta was stronger for 25 years (Goku's age during their fight)
Then Goku is stronger for 1 year
Then Vegeta surprass Goku somewhere in the 3 following years
Then Goku is stronger again and until the end of the Majin Buu saga (7 years)
Anything beyond that is a mistery

[Kaboom]

Don't forget, Goku and Vegeta were going back-and-forth in being strongest for a bit on Namek before Goku stole the lead, though they never directly faced off with each other.

[Fox666]

The only moment would be when Vegeta was fighting Freeza's final form, because Goku was still not healed.

Before that Goku still could go up to 900,000 with the Kaioken.

[Kaboom]

Well, Kaio-Ken's something extra. I wasn't really counting it.

[Puto]

Vegeta should be stronger than Goku in movies 6, 7 and 8. He's not because Toei.

Not 8. 8 is Cell-era.

[p123]

Seeing how Kaioken is part of Goku's techniques, why wouldn't we count it? That's like saying hey Goku can't use Kaioken against Vegeta on Earth because he will be stronger ! Hey!


Goku is always stronger than Vegeta on Namek. Maybe for a split second while Goku is still healing, but that's about it. Goku's ability to use Kaioken just puts him out of Vegeta's reach.

Until Vegeta in the Androids Saga to the first rosat takes it back from Goku.

[Nazi Cola]

If Kaio-ken is part of Goku's techniques, wouldn't Oozaru count for Vegeta's? Or no, because he didn't have his tail any longer? If it counts, Vegeta would be equal or stronger than Goku until Goku finished healing. If not, boo.

[p123]

Yes Oozaru absolutley counts. Which makes Vegeta stronger than Goku for a majority of his fight, but then after he loses his tail, Goku finally takes over because of Kaioken. And then Goku puts the straight up stranglehold on Vegeta until the Androids Saga.

[Kid Buu]

Vegeta after his Krillin zenkai is stronger then Goku in the healing chamber who has yet to receive that 33x zenkai.

Vegeta post Krillin Zenkai - Over a million
Goku, even with KKx10 - 900,000

[Fox666]

Yes Oozaru absolutley counts. Which makes Vegeta stronger than Goku for a majority of his fight, but then after he loses his tail, Goku finally takes over because of Kaioken. And then Goku puts the straight up stranglehold on Vegeta until the Androids Saga.

For course the Oozaru counts. There is a reason why Kami removed Goku's tail, and that's because Goku looses his control when he turns on an Oozaru. Vegeta probably trained to control his transformation.

[dbgtFO]

Imagine Vegeta vs. initial Perfect Cell and replace Goku with Perfect Cell... That's how I feel.

Vegeta blasts half of Goku's torso off? Works for me.

Damn, I should've thought this through.

[Nazi Cola]

Yes Oozaru absolutley counts. Which makes Vegeta stronger than Goku for a majority of his fight, but then after he loses his tail, Goku finally takes over because of Kaioken. And then Goku puts the straight up stranglehold on Vegeta until the Androids Saga.

Well, I meant during the Namek stuff, which is why I included the no-tail thing.

[cpd12589]

I was just wondering if you also think Vegeta was stronger than Goku during DBZ movie 7 since that is supposed to take place during the Android Saga and SSJ Vegeta > SSJ Goku during that time. I know the movies usually don't coincide with the main timeline and basically take place in an alternate DBZ timeline but just was curious what you think?

Also I guess movie 6 would fall under that category too since they are both SSJ in that and it's before the androids.

Vegeta should be stronger than Goku in movies 6, 7 and 8. He's not because Toei.

Well I agree Vegeta should be stronger than Goku in DBZ movies 6 and 7 but not 8. Since Gohan's SSJ in movie 8 that means Goku and Gohan already exited the RoSaT. So Goku should be stronger than Vegeta in movie 8.

[Rocketman]

Well I agree Vegeta should be stronger than Goku in DBZ movies 6 and 7 but not 8. Since Gohan's SSJ in movie 8 that means Goku and Gohan already exited the RoSaT. So Goku should be stronger than Vegeta in movie 8.

Movie 8 has a weird example. Vegeta is more powerful than Goku, but only when his energy is in Goku's body. So Toei again.

[p123]

Vegeta after his Krillin zenkai is stronger then Goku in the healing chamber who has yet to receive that 33x zenkai.

Vegeta post Krillin Zenkai - Over a million
Goku, even with KKx10 - 900,000

Yes for about a couple of minutes, I already brought this up. Goku is superior than Vegeta once Vegeta's tail is cut off up until this point. Then for a couple of minutes Vegeta is stronger until Goku is fully healed.


But honestly, I doubt it, look how quickly Goku was fully healed after this. Even if Goku is only 50-75% healed, which he likely would be or even moreso more likely , Goku at 50-75% of 3 million plus KKx20 to boot makes him stronger than Vegeta as well.


So Vegeta is stronger throughout most of Goku's life, until Vegeta's tail is cut off enabling Goku's KK abilties to put him over Vegeta, and Vegeta only becomes stronger in the Androids Saga and through the 1st Rosat. A span of only a couple of days probably..

[Kid Buu]

Eh, I still think it'd be possible for a post-losing tail Vegeta beating Goku anyway. For example, in the original fight Vegeta is at 18,000 where as Kaioken X4 Goku is at 32,000+, but despite that a good bulk of this forum still think Vegeta would have won that.

[Nazi Cola]

Well I agree Vegeta should be stronger than Goku in DBZ movies 6 and 7 but not 8. Since Gohan's SSJ in movie 8 that means Goku and Gohan already exited the RoSaT. So Goku should be stronger than Vegeta in movie 8.

Movie 8 has a weird example. Vegeta is more powerful than Goku, but only when his energy is in Goku's body. So Toei again.

What?

[p123]

If Goku would have went KKx4 from the getgo, Vegeta would be done IMO. It still doesn't matter 32,000 is indeed stronger than 18,000. Which is what we are talking about, battle power that is...

[Fox666]

Eh, I still think it'd be possible for a post-losing tail Vegeta beating Goku anyway. For example, in the original fight Vegeta is at 18,000 where as Kaioken X4 Goku is at 32,000+, but despite that a good bulk of this forum still think Vegeta would have won that.

Since Goku was all fucked because of the 4x Kaioken, I think it's likely that Vegeta would have won without turning Oozaru. (Of course there is still the question if Goku would manage to hit Vegeta with the Genki-dama)

Thinking about it, all rivarly of Vegeta over Goku is stupid. He feels defeated simply because he don't understand how the Kaioken works...