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That's a certain! Anyone saying otherwise is being arrogant!Garlic wrote:I agree but at least Eric got the feel of the chracter.Still neither are at the level of Takeshi kuasoPiccolo Daimaoh wrote:I'm not trying to start an Ocean vs. FUNi argument. They're both mediocre dubs. I'm not a fan of either of them.Garlic wrote:I agree with Daimaho. I mean have you heard Alister Abells TrunksIts awful!
Hey now the Japanese version of Kai isn`t completly perfect. A lot of JPN Kai performances are good but nowehere perfect like Z.TheGreatness25 wrote:Man I wish they released the Ocean dub of DBZ (I'm not talking about the "Saiyan Conflict" and "Namek Saga," which I already own). I mean every bit of footage I see is terrible (terrible pacing, horrible music, some voice actors are trash), but I do have this sentimental feel towards some of the voices such as Kuririn's, Goku's during the Android Saga, Vegeta's, Piccolo's (who is much better than FUNimation's!). Ah good old days. Anyway if Ocean does make Kai, I really hope that it won't be as bad as their Z dub. That would make the entire thing pointless. I mean changing the music and whatnot. Though for some reason, I kind of wouldn't mind that. You have the perfect version of Kai available (Japanese version), you have the decently well-done dub (FUNimation), and then it would be nice to have a complete alternative (if Ocean Studios made it all... 1996ish with the replaced music and dialog changes). It would kind of bring a fresh perspective to the show lol
I originally wrote that sentence without the word "usually" in but I edited it to include said word because the former made it sound like Funimation never has actors who can really act well for their characters. Chris Ayres (Freeza) and Monica Rial (Bulma) are evidence that Funimation is capable of finding decent actors/actresses who can do a good job with their characters. I said something positive about Funimation. Surprised?Piccolo Daimaoh wrote: What do you mean by "usually"? If you're talking about back when they started dubbing DBZ, then that's fine and dandy. But nowadays, they have a pretty big talent pool.
Not really. You just left out some countries where the Ocean dub aired, such as Ireland and Finland.Piccolo Daimaoh wrote: Yes it does. I said that more people have seen FUNimation's dub (of the whole series). Common sense dictates that statement is indeed true.
The Ocean dub (Saiyan-Namek) is also airing in Australia.Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Plus, FUNimation's DBZ dub is still airing on Cartoon Network Australia.
Considering how good the recasts (especially Ayres and Rial) are in Funimation's Kai dub, I'm willing to believe they have voice actors in their pool who can do a good job. But what's the point of them if Funimation doesn't utilise more of them for their DB Kai dub?Mewzard wrote:Funimation's got a great pool of actors that are able to cover the emotions well.
Same reason why ocean's not change the their actors, they don't wanna start a fan riot. Regardless if they were replaced by superior actors fans would riot and bitch about why there favorite actor is not playing the role, take Gohan's role for example.RazorX wrote:I originally wrote that sentence without the word "usually" in but I edited it to include said word because the former made it sound like Funimation never has actors who can really act well for their characters. Chris Ayres (Freeza) and Monica Rial (Bulma) are evidence that Funimation is capable of finding decent actors/actresses who can do a good job with their characters. I said something positive about Funimation. Surprised?Piccolo Daimaoh wrote: What do you mean by "usually"? If you're talking about back when they started dubbing DBZ, then that's fine and dandy. But nowadays, they have a pretty big talent pool.
Not really. You just left out some countries where the Ocean dub aired, such as Ireland and Finland.Piccolo Daimaoh wrote: Yes it does. I said that more people have seen FUNimation's dub (of the whole series). Common sense dictates that statement is indeed true.
But, the Ocean dub of episodes 1-53 aired in every country that received the later Ocean and Funi dubs. Plus it's easily available on VHS/DVD and the internet. So if you want to base popularity on the number of people who've seen the dub, then Ocean's Saiyan-Namek sagas dub is the most popular.
The Ocean dub (Saiyan-Namek) is also airing in Australia.Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Plus, FUNimation's DBZ dub is still airing on Cartoon Network Australia.
Considering how good the recasts (especially Ayres and Rial) are in Funimation's Kai dub, I'm willing to believe they have voice actors in their pool who can do a good job. But what's the point of them if Funimation doesn't utilise more of them for their DB Kai dub?Mewzard wrote:Funimation's got a great pool of actors that are able to cover the emotions well.
I can understand (but don't agree) on why Funi would be reluctant to change a character like Vegeta's voice, but Funi could've changed voices for characters like Yamcha, Korin, Tien etc. I don't know why Sabat was even allowed to keep Korin in Funi's Kai dub, he can't even differentiate it as much from his Vegeta as he could before.Daimo-Rukiri wrote: Same reason why ocean's not change the their actors, they don't wanna start a fan riot. Regardless if they were replaced by superior actors fans would riot and bitch about why there favorite actor is not playing the role, take Gohan's role for example.
Doesn't make a difference when you take into account the population of the United States.RazorX wrote: Not really. You just left out some countries where the Ocean dub aired, such as Ireland and Finland.
For those first 53 episodes, Ocean only provided the voices. FUNimation handled everything else. It's unfair to just call it "the Ocean dub". Dubbing is more than simply recording voices.RazorX wrote: But, the Ocean dub of episodes 1-53 aired in every country that received the later Ocean and Funi dubs.
They've been out of print for years now, whereas the Season Sets and Dragon Boxes are still widely available. And both dubs are illegally downloadable on the internet.RazorX wrote: Plus it's easily available on VHS/DVD and the internet.
That's a pretty big leap to make, especially considering FUNimation's dub being the sole dub present on all of the latest English Dragon Ball Z releases.RazorX wrote: So if you want to base popularity on the number of people who've seen the dub, then Ocean's Saiyan-Namek sagas dub is the most popular.
One episode of the joint Ocean/FUNi dub airs on Saturdays, while two episodes of FUNimation's dub airs weekdays.RazorX wrote: The Ocean dub (Saiyan-Namek) is also airing in Australia.
There are plenty of guys who're more fitted towards piccolo than scott will ever be, and I wouldn't doubt the same for drummond either.RazorX wrote:I can understand (but don't agree) on why Funi would be reluctant to change a character like Vegeta's voice, but Funi could've changed voices for characters like Yamcha, Karin, Tenshinhan etc. I don't know why Sabat was even allowed to keep Karin in Funi's Kai dub, he can't even differentiate it as much from his Vegeta as he could before.Daimo-Rukiri wrote: Same reason why ocean's not change the their actors, they don't wanna start a fan riot. Regardless if they were replaced by superior actors fans would riot and bitch about why there favorite actor is not playing the role, take Gohan's role for example.
Ocean already used voice actors who had previous experience/training and they could cast well. The consensus for the Ocean/Funi/Saban dubbed Saiyan-Namek sagas was good voices but bad scripts. Ocean already have a good cast so they don't need to change. It would be difficult for you to find a voice actor superior to, say, Scott McNeil.
Nuff said!Daimo-Rukiri wrote:There are plenty of guys who're more fitted towards piccolo than scott will ever be, and I wouldn't doubt the same for drummond either.RazorX wrote:I can understand (but don't agree) on why Funi would be reluctant to change a character like Vegeta's voice, but Funi could've changed voices for characters like Yamcha, Karin, Tenshinhan etc. I don't know why Sabat was even allowed to keep Karin in Funi's Kai dub, he can't even differentiate it as much from his Vegeta as he could before.Daimo-Rukiri wrote: Same reason why ocean's not change the their actors, they don't wanna start a fan riot. Regardless if they were replaced by superior actors fans would riot and bitch about why there favorite actor is not playing the role, take Gohan's role for example.
Ocean already used voice actors who had previous experience/training and they could cast well. The consensus for the Ocean/Funi/Saban dubbed Saiyan-Namek sagas was good voices but bad scripts. Ocean already have a good cast so they don't need to change. It would be difficult for you to find a voice actor superior to, say, Scott McNeil.
Just because they're the first ones to do the role doesn't make them the definitive VAs for the role.
Now you're just being like every other ocean elitist.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
That guy was awful! He's right. It works so what's the problem? You could say the same for the Japanese VA's but no one will because it works and that's great. Like he said "Don't fix what's not broken."penguintruth wrote:The only VAs I've heard more appropriate for Piccolo and Vegeta than McNeil and Drummond are Furukawa and Horikawa.
Sure, they might find even better VAs, but there's no reason to fix what's not broken.
Both McNeil and Drummond are excellent actors. They're passionate and have what it takes to scream like they need to. If they were to reprise their roles, they would NEED to do different voices. More Drummond than McNeil, but their original takes are just wrong.penguintruth wrote:The only VAs I've heard more appropriate for Piccolo and Vegeta than McNeil and Drummond are Furukawa and Horikawa.
Sure, they might find even better VAs, but there's no reason to fix what's not broken.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
No, I agree with you. FUNimation dub fans can also be condescending to Ocean dub fans. But you can't say the other way around isn't true. I mean, just look at the video Garlic posted. In it, a commenter respectfully posted a message saying that he preferred FUNimation's redub. To which someone else replied saying that he is a "funi nutt-hugger" and that his mother is a whore. Yes, you read right. On top of that, he said that Chris Ayers is "infinitely worse" as Freeza than Linda Young. Which is just insane.penguintruth wrote:Come off your high horse. Funimation fans absolutely tear apart the Ocean dub (and not without good reason, but their dub is shit also). Look at pretty much any Ocean dub clip on YouTube or go into any other DBZ forum other than this. Stop acting like fans of the Funimation cast aren't also a bunch of crazy imbeciles.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
