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Re: Dragon Ball databook ideas

Post by Herms » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:20 pm

B wrote:-Birthdays for everyone. Just because, I guess. I think Gohan is the only character with a date, and even then, does he have a year?
Pretty much all of the major good guys have official birth years; Gohan's is Age 757. The Daizenshuu 7 time line says Gohan was born sometime in May of that year, but no specific date is given. I'm fairly sure the only character with a specific birthday is Piccolo (Ma Junior), who's born on May 9th, Age 753. That's the day Goku defeats Daimao, and it's one of the few days to be given a specific date in the manga, when Daimao goes on TV and announces his plan to destroy 1 section of the world each year on that date (the specific year number is only given in the later guidebooks, however).

As for new guidebooks, I just want one that's a big frickin' tome. I'm tired of each new guidebook being smaller than the last; give me something I could crack walnuts with. Just some big, super-comprehensive all-in-one monster that covers everything from the manga to Super Saiyan study desks (but, as Olivier Hague says, clearly differentiates between the manga universe and add-ons like filler and video games). And I want lots of new background info, and not just generic plot summarizations, "Goku's a pretty cool guy" fluff, or stuff recycled from the daizenshuu for the Nth time. As much as I love Toriyama's map of the DB comsos, I think it's time, it's kinda tiring seeing it in every new guidebook without any new information added (or with information actually removed, as is the case with DB Landmark). I don't especially care what, as long as it's new. It could just be an inventory of Dr. Brief's porn collection, or the complete biography of Sea Turtle. Just as long as it gives Mike and Hujio something interesting to talk about on the podcast.
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Re: Dragon Ball databook ideas

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:37 pm

I'd love to see your guides re-worked into a real encyclopedic volume of sort, Jake. I want pages lined up with text, damn it, and I know I can get that sort of thing from something you've written.

Although new data would be awesome, too. Gah, just give me two hours with Toriyama for an interview and I'll mine all of the most important questions out of the bastard!

...well, at least questions like "Gohan didn't use Super Saiyan 2 against Majin Boo when he had against Kibito so easily earlier," "Can we get a Bob & Margaret gag comic in a seinen magazine," "Did Vegeta ever obtain Super Saiyan 3," and "Did Tenshinhan ever learn the Kaiô-ken?"

...maybe those aren't too important after all...
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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:00 am

A databook about the metric fucktonne of games would be nice. Licensing issues might get in the way of that happening, though.

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Post by Chuquita » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:20 am

Ooh! I like the Birthdays idea. I know One Piece has done that.
I mean, with Goku it depends on how long it took his ship to get to Earth from Planet Vegeta. I've seen a timeline saying that Grampa Gohan finds his space pod in the summer.

I'd also like to see, if it exists, the original character design what-ifs for Vegeta. Like the ones Daizex has of Cell, Mr. Popo, Gohan, SSJ3 Goku, etc? I would love to see what Vegeta could have looked like. :mrgreen:
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Post by NeoKING » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:45 am

I'd actually like to have more info on everything GT. I mean like, Daizenshuu 7-type info(because that one seems to be the most commonly referred to Daizenshuu, with all it's info and stuff).

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Post by StarRot » Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:11 pm

Kaboom wrote:More in-universe information about the Dragon Ball cosmos and its various worlds and races. In particular, I think we're long overdue to learn more about Freeza's race.
Basically this, mainly information about the races. Most of the aliens are quite well designed; I really want to know more about them! As I was watching the show for the very first time as a child, that was always my main curiosity.

I'd also like to see early concept art/character designs.
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Post by Herms » Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:17 pm

StarRot wrote:Haha, he’s reading Faust. That’s clever.
In the original, the book he's reading has an undecipherable title (it looks kinda like it says "URA"). It's very like Viz to add a joke like that in.
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Post by AgitoZ » Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:37 pm

How about we get a data book in English.

Yes Kanzentai's translations are great, but it's not the same as having something physically in your hands that you can understand. It'd be nice just to be able to take it out of your shelf and be able to read it. It would also help stop arguments if we can point to something that's available in their own language.
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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:43 pm

Nothing ever written in a new guide book is ever going to end an argument among fans. Even if it was exclusively written by Akira Toriyama with the most knowledgeable staff and fans at his disposal for research and fact-checking going into writing it, you have folks on one side who would accept the new information as canonical fact, while others would dismiss it as being extraneous fluff not conceived within the original run of the franchise and therefore irrelevant.

I just want more information about how things were produced. Gimme stories. Dish on people. Experiences. Memories. That's the stuff that will be lost to time.
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Post by AgitoZ » Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:46 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Nothing ever written in a new guide book is ever going to end an argument among fans. Even if it was exclusively written by Akira Toriyama with the most knowledgeable staff and fans at his disposal for research and fact-checking going into writing it, you have folks on one side who would accept the new information as canonical fact, while others would dismiss it as being extraneous fluff not conceived within the original run of the franchise and therefore irrelevant.

I just want more information about how things were produced. Gimme stories. Dish on people. Experiences. Memories. That's the stuff that will be lost to time.
Are you saying you wouldn't want a data book in English? The whole ending arguments wasn't my main point. Oh well. :P

Although I too want some more dirt on the people involved. What skeletons do they have in their closets?
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:53 pm

AgitoZ wrote:Yes Kanzentai's translations are great, but it's not the same as having something physically in your hands that you can understand.
Hey, when you put it that way... Hujio and Herms should totally publish an unofficial DB guide! :wink:
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:08 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:
AgitoZ wrote:Yes Kanzentai's translations are great, but it's not the same as having something physically in your hands that you can understand.
Hey, when you put it that way... Hujio and Herms should totally publish an unofficial DB guide! :wink:
But wouldn't that get into the whole copyright stuff?
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Post by dbgtFO » Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:29 pm

Herms wrote:
StarRot wrote:Haha, he’s reading Faust. That’s clever.
In the original, the book he's reading has an undecipherable title (it looks kinda like it says "URA"). It's very like Viz to add a joke like that in.
Oddly enough, my version also has the title of the book written exactly like that, and my version was released 1 year after Viz' release, even though they don't credit Viz or anything...

To come with other wishes for new databooks, other than my first reply obviously all of my fanon theories!

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Post by Nazi Cola » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:25 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Nothing ever written in a new guide book is ever going to end an argument among fans. Even if it was exclusively written by Akira Toriyama with the most knowledgeable staff and fans at his disposal for research and fact-checking going into writing it, you have folks on one side who would accept the new information as canonical fact, while others would dismiss it as being extraneous fluff not conceived within the original run of the franchise and therefore irrelevant.

I just want more information about how things were produced. Gimme stories. Dish on people. Experiences. Memories. That's the stuff that will be lost to time.
Even if it was produced during the original run of the franchise, you'd still have those fans that would dismiss it because "things change" during production and whatnot. :roll:
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Post by dbgtFO » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:59 am

Nazi Cola wrote:I'd also like some more direct power statements, like in the Kid Boo fight section have a part saying "The evil Majin Boo reverted to his pure, original form, to which Goku at Super Saiyan 3 could fight evenly with," and then in Super Boo's section have a part saying "Even without absorptions, this form of Majin Boo was too powerful for even Goku and Vegeta to fight without the Potara earrings." You know, something that would create controversy to some, but also give us something more solid than we have now.
http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.p ... _hist#link
If you go to volume 40, it says that the power of SSj 3 could fight equally with Majin Buu. It should be Fat Buu they are talking about, since the quote is put at Goku's first on screen SSJ 3 transformation.
But I agree with you.

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dbgtFO wrote:
Nazi Cola wrote:I'd also like some more direct power statements, like in the Kid Boo fight section have a part saying "The evil Majin Boo reverted to his pure, original form, to which Goku at Super Saiyan 3 could fight evenly with," and then in Super Boo's section have a part saying "Even without absorptions, this form of Majin Boo was too powerful for even Goku and Vegeta to fight without the Potara earrings." You know, something that would create controversy to some, but also give us something more solid than we have now.
http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.p ... _hist#link
If you go to volume 40, it says that the power of SSj 3 could fight equally with Majin Buu. It should be Fat Buu they are talking about, since the quote is put at Goku's first on screen SSJ 3 transformation.
Well, that's a little misleading, even if they were just talking about that one fight where Goku held back, since Goku admitted that he could beat Fat Boo with SSj3 and purposely held back to let the kids have a shot, and Piccolo implied that he believed SSj3 Goku could beat Boo too.
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Post by Kaboom » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:58 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Nothing ever written in a new guide book is ever going to end an argument among fans.
Oh I totally know. Debates will never truly end, such is the nature of fandom.

That's why I want NEW information. The stuff about the Kaioshin and Mr. Satan's real name and all that kind of recent info from new sources was delicious. That's the kind of stuff I want.

Plus, again, at least just a name for Freeza's race.
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Post by dbgtFO » Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:04 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Nazi Cola wrote:I'd also like some more direct power statements, like in the Kid Boo fight section have a part saying "The evil Majin Boo reverted to his pure, original form, to which Goku at Super Saiyan 3 could fight evenly with," and then in Super Boo's section have a part saying "Even without absorptions, this form of Majin Boo was too powerful for even Goku and Vegeta to fight without the Potara earrings." You know, something that would create controversy to some, but also give us something more solid than we have now.
http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.p ... _hist#link
If you go to volume 40, it says that the power of SSj 3 could fight equally with Majin Buu. It should be Fat Buu they are talking about, since the quote is put at Goku's first on screen SSJ 3 transformation.
Well, that's a little misleading, even if they were just talking about that one fight where Goku held back, since Goku admitted that he could beat Fat Boo with SSj3 and purposely held back to let the kids have a shot, and Piccolo implied that he believed SSj3 Goku could beat Boo too.
I know. The only Majin Buu Goku is equal to is Kid Buu.
Fat Buu would have been dead had Goku gone all out according to himself.

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Piccolo Daimao wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.p ... _hist#link
If you go to volume 40, it says that the power of SSj 3 could fight equally with Majin Buu. It should be Fat Buu they are talking about, since the quote is put at Goku's first on screen SSJ 3 transformation.
Well, that's a little misleading, even if they were just talking about that one fight where Goku held back, since Goku admitted that he could beat Fat Boo with SSj3 and purposely held back to let the kids have a shot, and Piccolo implied that he believed SSj3 Goku could beat Boo too.
If Fat Buu was identical in power to Goku, there isn't anything that really contradicts Goku's statement that he could defeat Fat Buu, does it?

In fact Goku wasn't that clear in saying that he could defeat Fat Buu.

If you look at the brief fight beetween Fat Buu and Goku SSJ3, both sides landed a close amount of hits on each other. While Goku surprised Fat Buu in the very beggining with a series of attacks, after that the fight keep going more like this page:

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If it was me, I would say that Goku had a slight margin over Fat Buu. However in my oppinion Fat Buu was very close to him.

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Fox666 wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.p ... _hist#link
If you go to volume 40, it says that the power of SSj 3 could fight equally with Majin Buu. It should be Fat Buu they are talking about, since the quote is put at Goku's first on screen SSJ 3 transformation.
Well, that's a little misleading, even if they were just talking about that one fight where Goku held back, since Goku admitted that he could beat Fat Boo with SSj3 and purposely held back to let the kids have a shot, and Piccolo implied that he believed SSj3 Goku could beat Boo too.
If Fat Buu was identical in power to Goku, there isn't anything that really contradicts Goku's statement that he could defeat Fat Buu, does it?

In fact Goku wasn't that clear in saying that he could defeat Fat Buu.

If you look at the brief fight beetween Fat Buu and Goku SSJ3, both sides landed a close amount of hits on each other. While Goku surprised Fat Buu in the very beggining with a series of attacks, after that the fight keep going more like this page:

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After that fight, Piccolo said that he wasn't going at full power and Goku told him that he was purposely holding back to let the kids have a shot at defeating Boo. And before his battle with Kid Boo, he flat-out says that he could've beaten Fat Boo with Super Saiyan 3, but he wanted to make sure the younger generation could protect the Earth themselves.

If it was me, I would say that Goku had a slight margin over Fat Buu. However in my oppinion Fat Buu was very close to him.
After that fight, Goku told Piccolo that he purposely held back to let the kids have a shot at defeating Fat Boo, and before his battle with Kid Boo, he flat-out says that he could've defeated Fat Boo with Super Saiyan 3, but he wanted to make sure the younger generation could protect the planet themselves.
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