Pure of heart to fire the Genki Dama?

Nazi Cola · Post by **Nazi Cola** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:35 pm

Is this ever stated? If so, where? And why can't Goku ever use it canonically as a Super Saiyan?

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:53 pm

Something of "pure heart" sort was said when Gohan deflected it against Vegeta.

During the Kid Buu fight, didn't they wished to restore Goku's energy and he turned SSJ to push the Genki Dama?

Nazi Cola · Post by **Nazi Cola** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:58 pm

He did turn Super Saiyan, but I meant to gather the energy and whatnot. Should've phrased that better, sorry.

And I thought Goku only told Gohan it wouldn't hurt him if he was pure of heart.

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:05 pm

Well, the pure heart thing at least explain why they survived the Genki Dama in Namek.

However I don't see any reason to assume that Goku can't gather energy while SSJ.

Zarathustra · Post by **Zarathustra** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:08 pm

Nazi Cola wrote:He did turn Super Saiyan, but I meant to gather the energy and whatnot. Should've phrased that better, sorry.

And I thought Goku only told Gohan it wouldn't hurt him if he was pure of heart.

I thought that it was because it was aimed at Vegeta's evil that it wouldn't hurt Gohan. Although I haven't watched the Saiyan arc in a while.

And Krillin was able to wield it and fire it even though he isn't pure of heart...

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:31 pm

Cell says he can probably do a Genki Dama and he isn't pure of heart.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:36 pm

Nazi Cola wrote:Is this ever stated? If so, where? And why can't Goku ever use it canonically as a Super Saiyan?

Only in DBZ movie 7.

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:43 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:Cell says he can probably do a Genki Dama and he isn't pure of heart.

Win

Yeah, I am not sure about how it works, but probably Gohan could deflect the Genki Dama because it was made by Goku

CODii · Post by **CODii** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:23 pm

Yeah, Cell says he could probably perform the Genki Dama, so I'm pretty sure it doesn't require a pure heart.

Is it ever said that he CANNOT perform the Genki Dama while SSJ, or is it just a matter of him simply never doing it?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:39 am

Herms wrote:Only in DBZ movie 7.

By Krillin, who has no idea what he's talking about.

Son Edo · Post by **Son Edo** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:50 am

Rocketman wrote:
Herms wrote:Only in DBZ movie 7.
By Krillin, who has no idea what he's talking about.

He experienced it so of course he does.

dbgtFO · Post by **dbgtFO** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:15 am

Son Edo wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Herms wrote:Only in DBZ movie 7.
By Krillin, who has no idea what he's talking about.
He experienced it so of course he does.

Krillin isn't pure of heart though...

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:48 pm

dbgtFO wrote:Krillin isn't pure of heart though...

He was only said to be of pure heart back before Kame-sennin's training. It's entirely possible he became pure of heart afterwards, since I don't believe he was training just to get girls anymore.

dbgtFO · Post by **dbgtFO** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:58 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:Krillin isn't pure of heart though...
He was only said to be of pure heart back before Kame-sennin's training. It's entirely possible he became pure of heart afterwards, since I don't believe he was training just to get girls anymore.

If that's true then why didn't he ask Karin for a free Kintoun?

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:31 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:Krillin isn't pure of heart though...
He was only said to be of pure heart back before Kame-sennin's training. It's entirely possible he became pure of heart afterwards, since I don't believe he was training just to get girls anymore.
If that's true then why didn't he ask Karin for a free Kintoun?

Maybe he didn't feel it was important? But even after the 21st Budokai, when Kuririn offered to help Goku find the DBs, Goku said he couldn't ride the Kinto'un and Kuririn was like "Oh, right." I think he was pure even back then, since I think he'd learned that you didn't train for the purpose of having girls drool over you, but to strengthen your mind and body...and all that philosophical jazz.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:49 pm

That isn't the only reason that make you un-pure. IIRC only Goku, Gohan and Goten are stated to be pure. There is really no reason to assume all the good guys are pure.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:57 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:That isn't the only think that make you un-pure. IIRC only Goku, Gohan and Goten are stated to be pure. There is really no reason to assume all the good guys are pure.

OK, fair enough. But you missed out a couple of other people. There's good Lunch, Chi-Chi, the mermaid Goku brought to Kame-sennin, Oob at the end of the Kanzenban...they all ride the Kinto'un.

And I just thought Kuririn had done enough to make him pure. But it probably doesn't work that way. Even in the Namek arc, he's thinking about how he might get killed and he doesn't even have a girlfriend, and then later the infamous "I've got a hard-on over a cyborg, so I won't destroy her and let an evil life-form become the strongest in the universe!" And yeah, I'm not forgetting Vegeta's screw-up in that arc too. But everyone expects him to be a douche anyway; Kuririn was just completely out-of-character.

dbgtFO · Post by **dbgtFO** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:59 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:That isn't the only reason that make you un-pure. IIRC only Goku, Gohan and Goten are stated to be pure. There is really no reason to assume all the good guys are pure.

Don't forget Vegeta being Pure EVIL!!

CODii · Post by **CODii** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:01 am

dbgtFO wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:That isn't the only reason that make you un-pure. IIRC only Goku, Gohan and Goten are stated to be pure. There is really no reason to assume all the good guys are pure.
Don't forget Vegeta being Pure EVIL!!

I remember VegettoEX joking about that in an old episode of the podcast. He suggested fan fiction with Vegeta flying around on Kinto-Un while ravaging the Earth

EnmaDaiou · Post by **EnmaDaiou** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:55 am

It's good to point that in manga they don't use the term "pure" in this case.
Goku says to Kuririn to aim the "evil ki". And after that,says to Gohan that anyone without "evil ki" can manipulate the Genki Dama.
The term "evil ki" is "AKU NO KI" in japanese.

In the case of Kintoun, Kamesennin　uses the term "KIYOI KOKORO". Literally Pure/noble/clean Heart/spirit.

So, I think Kuririn have some "dirty toughts".. He is not "pure"..
But it doesn't make him "evil".

Kanzenshuu

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