The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by Herms » Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:05 pm

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:12 am

Ashy-kun wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:I would like to know what Goku says in the 4th panel of this page. :)
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"Wakaranee na... Chibi-tachi no fusion no ki mo kanjineeshi... Tatakatta you demo neeshi... Nande ki ga puttsuri to kiechimatta ka..."

"I jus' dun' gettit... I can't feel the Qi from the lil' uns' Fusion... S'not even like they fought at all... Then, how come their Qi just totally vanished inta thin air?"
I completely forgot to ask you, is the line worded in such a way, that Goku implies he was able to sense the fusion's power beforehand? Or does the line "S'not even like they fought at all" mean that he expected to sense their power, but hasn't because they didn't fight yet? Or does it mean their ki would feel different when fighting? Hope you can answer these questions :)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by EnmaDaiou » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:41 am

dbgtFO wrote:
Ashy-kun wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:I would like to know what Goku says in the 4th panel of this page. :)
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/6323/073k.jpg
"Wakaranee na... Chibi-tachi no fusion no ki mo kanjineeshi... Tatakatta you demo neeshi... Nande ki ga puttsuri to kiechimatta ka..."

"I jus' dun' gettit... I can't feel the Qi from the lil' uns' Fusion... S'not even like they fought at all... Then, how come their Qi just totally vanished inta thin air?"
I completely forgot to ask you, is the line worded in such a way, that Goku implies he was able to sense the fusion's power beforehand? Or does the line "S'not even like they fought at all" mean that he expected to sense their power, but hasn't because they didn't fight yet? Or does it mean their ki would feel different when fighting? Hope you can answer these questions :)
I think Goku just strange that Buu's ki disappeared without any sign of battle.
The only one who could fight was Gotenks. But he couldn'd feel Gotenks Ki too.
If buu had been defeated, Goku should feel Gotenks, Buu and a battle. That's why he said that.

I'm not sure if I answered your question..
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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by Ashy-kun » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:52 am

dbgtFO wrote:
Ashy-kun wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:I would like to know what Goku says in the 4th panel of this page. :)
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/6323/073k.jpg
"Wakaranee na... Chibi-tachi no fusion no ki mo kanjineeshi... Tatakatta you demo neeshi... Nande ki ga puttsuri to kiechimatta ka..."

"I jus' dun' gettit... I can't feel the Qi from the lil' uns' Fusion... S'not even like they fought at all... Then, how come their Qi just totally vanished inta thin air?"
I completely forgot to ask you, is the line worded in such a way, that Goku implies he was able to sense the fusion's power beforehand? Or does the line "S'not even like they fought at all" mean that he expected to sense their power, but hasn't because they didn't fight yet? Or does it mean their ki would feel different when fighting? Hope you can answer these questions :)
Well, I've never really been that up on the Magical Being Boo stuff, so I'm not too sure on the context, thus I can only go on the manga page as a whole.

Gokuu notes that Boo's Qi seems to have disappeared, and the other two wonder if it could be because Boo had died.

The title of the chapter is "Tojirareta Ijigen Sekai", or "The World of a Different Dimension, Closed Up", so presumably this may be when Piccolo has blown up the door to the Room of Spirit and Time, or when they've gone inside the room in the first place.

So, that would be what is confusing them. They can't sense either Boo's Qi or Goten/Trunks/Gotenks' Qi. First off, they can't sense Boo's Qi at all, and wonder if he's dead, and Gokuu thinks it odd that he couldn't sense the Qi of the Fusion, Gotenks' Qi. Thus far, Gokuu has been placing his faith on Gotenks as the way to defeat Boo, so he's finding it odd that he couldn't feel Gotenks' Qi either.

I'd assume that Gokuu means that if Gotenks had killed Boo (i.e. the only one who could reasonably be able to kill Boo, at that time, in Gokuu's opinion), he'd have felt Boo's Qi but more importantly, Gotenks' Qi. As he couldn't, he's assuming that they hadn't even been fighting, so he finds it odd that he can't sense either of them, as if both were dead.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:22 am

EnmaDaiou wrote:*Anwser to my question*
Ashy-kun wrote:*Another more in depth answer to my question*
Thank you both. I completely understand now :D

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by NeoKING » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:12 pm

Ashy-kun wrote: Well, I've never really been that up on the Magical Being Boo stuff, so I'm not too sure on the context, thus I can only go on the manga page as a whole.
Wouldn't the name "Majin Boo" or "Djinn Boo" make your life easier? XD.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by Ashy-kun » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:51 am

Easier, perhaps, but less consistent.
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Post by Herms » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:53 am

Consistent with what?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by Ashy-kun » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:07 am

With my attempts to translate as much that I can. Just a personal tic.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by NeoKING » Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:46 pm

Ashy-kun wrote:With my attempts to translate as much that I can. Just a personal tic.
But, Viz was right with Djinn Boo - it's the closest translation there is in Majin Boo's context.

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Post by Ashy-kun » Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:19 pm

Well, I need to post up my reasoning behind translating it the way I do, but you can see it in my thread where I translate songs, for "Majin Boo no Higeki".

But can we just agree that I have different translations, instead of constantly questioning it and asking me about it as though I'm weird?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by NeoKING » Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:21 pm

Ashy-kun wrote:Well, I need to post up my reasoning behind translating it the way I do, but you can see it in my thread where I translate songs, for "Majin Boo no Higeki".

But can we just agree that I have different translations, instead of constantly questioning it and asking me about it as though I'm weird?
Your translations are not weird. "They're interestin'," as Goku would say.

But speaking of translations, I have two questions:

1. What would be a decent translation for Kaioken? I've seen a Chinese fan call the 界王拳(Jiewangquan) "The Fist of Secular Kings." Is that more or less the same as what it means in the Japanese version? Because I seem to remember one of the Budokai games calling it "King Kai Fist."

2. In the Blue Water GT dub, Baby was referred to as the "Neo-Machine Mutant." Was this term ever present in the Japanese version as Saikyo no Machine Mutant("The Machine Mutant Above All Others") or was it "Neo-Machine Mutant" in the original as well, or something else entirely?
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Post by Kiyza » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:36 pm

NeoKING wrote:1. What would be a decent translation for Kaioken? I've seen a Chinese fan call the 界王拳(Jiewangquan) "The Fist of Secular Kings." Is that more or less the same as what it means in the Japanese version? Because I seem to remember one of the Budokai games calling it "King Kai Fist."
I can't really answer the second one, since I haven't seen GT, but I think how you'd translate Kaioken depends on whether or not you translate Kaio. I'm by no means fluent in Japanese, and I really only know basic stuff, consdering my Spanish is far better, but the way I understand it, "ken" means fist, but the way it's used, it's a little bit more like "technique." Then again, it's pretty typical to just see it as fist either way. VIZ uses "The Lord of Worlds" as an alternate name for him, and I'm pretty sure that "Kai" means world in this context the "o" means something like king or lord, so it wouldn't be too unusual to call him that or "King Kai" ala FUNimation. So something like "Fist of Kaio," "Fist of the King/Lord of Worlds," or as mentioned before "King Kai Fist" would get the point across if you ask me. Herms' translation for the Special Attack Dictionary in Daizenshuu 7 uses "Fist of the King of Worlds," which is probably as good as it gets.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:51 pm

NeoKING wrote:2. In the Blue Water GT dub, Baby was referred to as the "Neo-Machine Mutant." Was this term ever present in the Japanese version as Saikyo no Machine Mutant("The Machine Mutant Above All Others") or was it "Neo-Machine Mutant" in the original as well, or something else entirely.
I don't remember if he was ever called something else, but Baby was definitely called a "Neo Machine Mutant" in the Japanese version.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:34 pm

Kiyza wrote:
NeoKING wrote:1. What would be a decent translation for Kaioken? I've seen a Chinese fan call the 界王拳(Jiewangquan) "The Fist of Secular Kings." Is that more or less the same as what it means in the Japanese version? Because I seem to remember one of the Budokai games calling it "King Kai Fist."
I can't really answer the second one, since I haven't seen GT, but I think how you'd translate Kaioken depends on whether or not you translate Kaio. I'm by no means fluent in Japanese, and I really only know basic stuff, consdering my Spanish is far better, but the way I understand it, "ken" means fist, but the way it's used, it's a little bit more like "technique." Then again, it's pretty typical to just see it as fist either way. VIZ uses "The Lord of Worlds" as an alternate name for him, and I'm pretty sure that "Kai" means world in this context the "o" means something like king or lord, so it wouldn't be too unusual to call him that or "King Kai" ala FUNimation. So something like "Fist of Kaio," "Fist of the King/Lord of Worlds," or as mentioned before "King Kai Fist" would get the point across if you ask me. Herms' translation for the Special Attack Dictionary in Daizenshuu 7 uses "Fist of the King of Worlds," which is probably as good as it gets.
"Lord" evokes more the idea of Kaio being a god, which is why I would go with "Lord of the Worlds", and subsequently "Fist of the Lord of the Worlds". Obviously, that's just personal preference.
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Post by Herms » Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:29 pm

Pretty sure Viz goes with "lord" rather than "king" just because it rhymes with "world" and therefore "Lord of Worlds" sounds cool. In general ou is pretty consistently translated as king/monarch; it's not as vague a term as "lord" is. I don't really have a problem with "Lord of Worlds", but it kinda bugs me to see people say that ou translate to "lord". It's kinda like saying that sakana/"fish" means "marine life" in general, if that makes sense. It can also be a bit confusing because the honorific sama that's usually attached to Kaio's name is also frequently translated as "lord".
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:13 pm

I think they just wanted to make that Lord of the Flies joke... :wink:
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:34 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I think they just wanted to make that Lord of the Flies joke... :wink:
Wait, was that was a Vizism?!
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:37 pm

Yeah, Kaio's jokes are impossible to literally translate, so Viz just had to make shit up.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:45 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Yeah, Kaio's jokes are impossible to literally translate, so Viz just had to make shit up.
Well, the "Lord of the Flies" joke was good, at least. As in, it was good that it was unfunny, which were what Kaio's jokes were supposed to be.
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