Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Brohan]

It's not that Goku could't lift 40 tons, he couldn't train(ie punch and kick with it on him) He certainly isn't as physically powerful as Hulk, but he's easily Class 100.

[Bussani]

2300km per 30 minutes = 1.28km per sec

1000km per 20 minutes = 830 m per sec


It's only 65% of Mercenary Tao's speed not 1/3.

Aren't you forgetting that Tao Pai Pai has to go there and back in those 30 minutes? Plus however long it takes to kill a boy.

It's not that Goku could't lift 40 tons, he couldn't train(ie punch and kick with it on him) He certainly isn't as physically powerful as Hulk, but he's easily Class 100.

Pretty much. Like I've said before, one of the guides says it's using bukujutsu to fly while carrying that much weight that makes it more challenging, which makes sense considering you're usually only using bukujutsu to lift your own weight. I think it's still the most we ever see Goku lift off the ground outside of filler, though.

[Brohan]

Another thing I heard around here is that in DBO, Goku shoots out a Supernova when he's fightin Vegeta?

[lonewolf]

2300km per 30 minutes = 1.28km per sec

1000km per 20 minutes = 830 m per sec


It's only 65% of Mercenary Tao's speed not 1/3.

Aren't you forgetting that Tao Pai Pai has to go there and back in those 30 minutes? Plus however long it takes to kill a boy.

Yes I forgot, but Gohan going home was not a very crucial scenario to compare to any important scenario feats like Mercenary Tao and Goku in the Snake Way. I mean, it doesn't make sense to judge Base-Gohan's full speed just by going home. And if I recall correctly after King Piccolo-Arc up to the end of the series, it's the only speed that Mercenary Tao is faster , the speed of Gohan going home.

It's not that Goku could't lift 40 tons, he couldn't train(ie punch and kick with it on him) He certainly isn't as physically powerful as Hulk, but he's easily Class 100.

Pretty much. Like I've said before, one of the guides says it's using bukujutsu to fly while carrying that much weight that makes it more challenging, which makes sense considering you're usually only using bukujutsu to lift your own weight. I think it's still the most we ever see Goku lift off the ground outside of filler, though.

It's like doing two things at the same time ala rasengan.

[caejones]

Another thing I heard around here is that in DBO, Goku shoots out a Supernova when he's fightin Vegeta?

The DBO story goes that Goku and Vegeta eventually leave Earth to have their final battle, and eventually people on Earth detect something resembling a super nova that is thought to be from that battle.
To me, this implies that the maximum output of Goku and Vegeta together (... but not fused, of course... ) can do something that simulates Super Nova-like effects. Maybe they blew something up, or maybe that's just the power resulting from their clash.
I kind of like this, though, since it keeps the DBZ characters ridiculously powerful, but not so ridiculous that the universe weeps.
I think Rocketman might disagree. ^_^. And if I'm remembering his reaction correctly, it definitely has merit.

[Brohan]

Another thing I heard around here is that in DBO, Goku shoots out a Supernova when he's fightin Vegeta?

The DBO story goes that Goku and Vegeta eventually leave Earth to have their final battle, and eventually people on Earth detect something resembling a super nova that is thought to be from that battle.
To me, this implies that the maximum output of Goku and Vegeta together (... but not fused, of course... ) can do something that simulates Super Nova-like effects. Maybe they blew something up, or maybe that's just the power resulting from their clash.
I kind of like this, though, since it keeps the DBZ characters ridiculously powerful, but not so ridiculous that the universe weeps.
I think Rocketman might disagree. ^_^. And if I'm remembering his reaction correctly, it definitely has merit.

Thanks, just wanted to see if it was canon or not, and why would Rocketman be so butthurt about Goku being that strong, him being a Solar System Buster would only make Vegetto that much stronger.

[Hellspawn28]

I think most people don't view Cell as a solar system buster because the other character never show that level of power never again and Goku said that Buu would have wipe out the solar system in a few hours. Meaning that Buu would have to blow up the sun to wipe out half of the solar system.

[Savage68]

How in the hell could any DBZ character go about "blowing up the Sun?"

[mysticboy]

How in the hell could any DBZ character go about "blowing up the Sun?"

A big-ass blast.

[Savage68]

Yeah, that's not really how the Sun operates. It isn't some planet or moon to be blown up with an energy projectile.

[mysticboy]

I know, I was just kidding. But, we are talking about a series where blowing up the moon doesn't do a thing.

[Bussani]

It isn't some planet or moon to be blown up with an energy projectile.

What makes the sun any different? Other than having over a billion times the binding energy Earth does holding it together.

[Savage68]

That's what makes it different.

[Rocketman]

The Sun's farts are far larger than Earth.

No Dragonball character could affect the Sun in any meaningful way.

[Taku128]

Batman could totally kick Goku's ass.

[lonewolf]

SSJ3 Gotenks' punching power is more destructive than Flash's Infinite Mass Punch and Bloodlusted Superman's punch:

SSJ3 Gotenks and Trion Juggernaut(strongest level of Juggernaut) are on the same level. Both can force their way through dimension:

Superman can be knocked out by a non-radiant moon buster. For those who like to argue about moon size or mass, guess what? DC Earth moon is lighter, it's 81 billion tons:

Not even Thor's skill and combat speed would be enough to keep up with DB characters:

Thor vs Spiderman



Thor vs Wolverine

Judging from the scan above, DB characters would slaughter 85% to 90% of Marvel and DC population. Battle power scaling was not even included.

[Hellspawn28]

I thought Superman was knock out by that Moon since it was a magical moon IIRC? I can't comment on Trion Juggernaut since I'm not familiar with that version. Most comic book character don't go at FTL since it will burn the Planet's surface and that all of characters move at their top speed. You can say the same with DB characters since I doubt Gotenks was moving at the same speed rate when fighting Buu as he was when flying across the Earth.

Collateral Damage sometimes is not always the best way to judge power.

[Savage68]

I thought Superman was knock out by that Moon since it was a magical moon IIRC?

It was a shadow version of the Moon, weighing 81 billion tons and moving at a relatively quickened pace towards the Earth.

Collateral Damage sometimes is not always the best way to judge power.

You can't even use collateral damage to judge powers between characters that share the same universe; it never works when trying to judge powers between different universes. That's part of what makes "Eastern comics vs. Western comics" topics exponentially stupid -- any and every poster involved can go back and forth, citing miscellaneous "feats" for these characters that ultimately amount to nothing because the standards between mediums aren't unanimous. I mean, in just about every one of those scans that are somehow being twisted around into DB's favor, I could point out what makes the scans come out on top of DB.

Side note: There is no 'Infinite Mass Punch' anymore. It's been gone for quite some time now.

[lonewolf]

I thought Superman was knock out by that Moon since it was a magical moon IIRC? I can't comment on Trion Juggernaut since I'm not familiar with that version. Most comic book character don't go at FTL since it will burn the Planet's surface and that all of characters move at their top speed. You can say the same with DB characters since I doubt Gotenks was moving at the same speed rate when fighting Buu as he was when flying across the Earth.

It's not magical, if you read Underworld Unleashed and Brightest Day, you would know it's not magical, sorry for the terms.

Collateral Damage sometimes is not always the best way to judge power.

That's how majority of pro-Marvel/DC judge power, if we judge power by power scaling, the result will be the same. Also, you can't judge punching power by weight lifting and weight pushing.

I thought Superman was knock out by that Moon since it was a magical moon IIRC?

It was a shadow version of the Moon, weighing 81 billion tons and moving at a relatively quickened pace towards the Earth.

Collateral Damage sometimes is not always the best way to judge power.

You can't even use collateral damage to judge powers between characters that share the same universe; it never works when trying to judge powers between different universes. That's part of what makes "Eastern comics vs. Western comics" topics exponentially stupid -- any and every poster involved can go back and forth, citing miscellaneous "feats" for these characters that ultimately amount to nothing because the standards between mediums aren't unanimous. I mean, in just about every one of those scans that are somehow being twisted around into DB's favor, I could point out what makes the scans come out on top of DB.

Side note: There is no 'Infinite Mass Punch' anymore. It's been gone for quite some time now.

In my opinion, the scans you're talking about are black hole, supernova, temperature of the sun, pushing the planet out of it's orbit and billion ton weightlifting(western comics wins here). Those things were never tested on DB characters(except for weight lifting), so it's meaningless to compare.
The scans I posted were the closest feats to compare against western comics and if we go by power scaling, the result will be the same. It's one-sided that the western comics have advantage in weight lifting but not in destructive means(excluding the abstract and omnipotent beings).

[Savage68]

In my opinion, the scans you're talking about are black hole, supernova, temperature of the sun, pushing the planet out of it's orbit and billion ton weightlifting(western comics wins here). Those things were never tested on DB characters(except for weight lifting), so it's meaningless to compare.

That's sorta my whole point here. It's all. completely. meaningless. The standards for strength exemplification differ between the two types of comics, so it's silly to think you can conclusively compare calculated speed with motion lines, or moons / planets destroyed through energy projectiles to a planet being leveled with someone's bare freaking hands.

And no, collateral damage is never how powers are judged or scaled in Marvel or in DC, because there is no power scaling. For instance, the Superman that destroyed Shadow Thief's shadow Moon by accelerating himself towards lightspeed? He'd be weaker than Superman, circa 2004. Because since then, his solar reserves have been depleted.

It's not magical, if you read Underworld Unleashed and Brightest Day, you would know it's not magical, sorry for the terms.

The shadow Moon-destruction thingy happened in JLA #30 (April '09). How does this relate to Underworld Unleashed or Brightest Day... at all?