Taopaipai or Tsuru-sennin?

[Piccolo Daimao]

Between Taopaipai and Tsuru-sennin, who's stronger? Is there any information on how their powers relate to each other?

[Herms]

Is there any information on how their powers relate to each other?

No.

[uzuni]

Judging by how easily Kame-Sen'nin "did away" with Tsuru-Sen'nin, I'd definitely say Tao is stronger.

[Fox666]

Goku was very close to Kame-sennin during the 21st Budokai, however he didn't stand a chance against Tao Pai Pai. Still Tenshinhan said that Kame-sennin was stronger than Tsuru, I would say Tao Pai Pai is stronger than Tsuru...

[Brohan]

Depends, pre or post op? Because other than Cyborg Tao's obvious superiority, there's really no implication that one was stronger than the other.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think Tsuru was stronger, mainly because of how astonished Tien seemed to be when Roshi showed power greater than his. Other than that, there's nothing else to go on.

[dbgtFO]

Based on this:

Chapter: 123, P13.4
Tenshinhan: “This geezer [Kame-sennin] is absolutely unbelievable. I don’t know who he is, but his power goes above even Lord Tsuru-sennin…!”

I'd say Tsuru-sennin, because Tenshinhan would logically be comparing Jackie Chun to the strongest guy he knows about, even if the strongest is dead.

[CatouttaHell]

Goku was very close to Kame-sennin during the 21st Budokai, however he didn't stand a chance against Tao Pai Pai. Still Tenshinhan said that Kame-sennin was stronger than Tsuru, I would say Tao Pai Pai is stronger than Tsuru...

Kame-sennin trained after the 21st Budokai, he was on par with Goku and Tenshinhan in the 22nd.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I think that Tsuru-sennin is stronger than Taopaipai. I'll explain why.

Tenshinhan is surprised that Kame-sennin's power goes above even Tsuru-sennin, but doesn't really say anything about Yamcha or Kuririn's strength in relation to Tsuru-sennin (after he's fought the former and at least seen the latter fight Chaozu). But when Goku fights Kuririn, despite the fact that he's holding back and it wasn't a true even fight, he says that he's "never had such a fun fight". I'd say that this is because Kuririn's the strongest person he's fought so far, and that's why this fight has been the most fun for him.

So when you put that all together...

Tsuru-sennin > Kuririn > Taopaipai

[Rocketman]

Goku was very close to Kame-sennin during the 21st Budokai

He wasn't that close. The only reason he tied with Roshi was Roshi burned off so much ki in destroying the Moon.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Goku was very close to Kame-sennin during the 21st Budokai

He wasn't that close. The only reason he tied with Roshi was Roshi burned off so much ki in destroying the Moon.

Goku and Roshi were even during their match. Roshi never had the upper hand in their battle. Even their Kamehamehas canceled each other out.

[Fox666]

Going by the official battle power of 120 for Tsuru-sennin, I would say Tao Pai Pai is the superior here.

Kame-seenin had 139 the time Raditz arrived, and he no longer had the muscles from the 22nd Budokai, so that should be the battle power when he fought Goku at the 21st Budokai.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Going by the official battle power of 120 for Tsuru-sennin, I would say Tao Pai Pai is the superior here.

Kame-seenin had 139 the time Raditz arrived, and he no longer had the muscles from the 22nd Budokai, so that should be the battle power when he fought Goku at the 21st Budokai.

The guidebook writers don't even think about what the official battle powers may imply when they're creating them, so I pretty much ignore them. Mr. Popo at 1,030 springs to mind--something they obviously didn't think about.

And I think Kame-sennin just had muscles at the 22nd Budokai because he was actively training at that time. I don't think "no muscles" automatically means 139.

[rereboy]

Goku was very close to Kame-sennin during the 21st Budokai

He wasn't that close. The only reason he tied with Roshi was Roshi burned off so much ki in destroying the Moon.

Goku and Roshi were even during their match. Roshi never had the upper hand in their battle. Even their Kamehamehas canceled each other out.

Well, Roshi wasn't trying to kill him... I believe that his 100% Kamehameha would have killed even Oozaru Goku.
And when Roshi got really serious and used that electricity technique, Goku was about to lose when he lucked out and noticed the moon, transforming into Oozaru, freeing himself.

I think Roshi had that much trouble with Goku in that tournament because he was out of shape and didn't train before the tournament, never imagining that Goku would be that strong.

Let's face it, Roshi is old and doesn't seem to be constantly training and improving himself anymore in his old age, even though he kept most of his power and his techniques over the years.

In the next tournament, he didn't make that mistake and trained, surpassing Taopaipai by far and Tsuru-sennin, just by pulling himself back to shape for the tournament.

And for who is stronger, I believe that Tsuru-sennin is a little stronger than the original Taopaipai, but cyborg-Taopaipai is stronger than Tsuru-sennin.

[Piccolo Daimao]

He wasn't that close. The only reason he tied with Roshi was Roshi burned off so much ki in destroying the Moon.

Goku and Roshi were even during their match. Roshi never had the upper hand in their battle. Even their Kamehamehas canceled each other out.

Well, Roshi wasn't trying to kill him... I believe that his 100% Kamehameha would have killed even Oozaru Goku.
And when Roshi got really serious and used that electricity technique, Goku was about to lose when he lucked out and noticed the moon, transforming into Oozaru, freeing himself.

I think Roshi had that much trouble with Goku in that tournament because he was out of shape and didn't train before the tournament, never imagining that Goku would be that strong.

Let's face it, Roshi is old and doesn't seem to be constantly training and improving himself anymore in his old age, even though he kept most of his power and his techniques over the years.

Obviously Roshi wasn't trying to kill him. He was his student and besides, he'd be disqualifed if he did. As we see, he was only using his Max Power form when preparing for his strongest Kamehameha. I think this tells us that he didn't use his Max Power form against Goku because using that form isn't efficient for battle and wears him out (much like Freeza's full power or SSj-G3).

I just don't see anything that suggests Roshi was any stronger than Goku. I think he was going all-out from the beginning, and only used the Bankoku Bikkuri Sho because he couldn't defeat Goku. He was fighting pretty well against Goku, and it was noted that he only won because of his longer legs and his kick struck deeper than Goku's.