lash wrote:If one believes what I posted, they must also believe Trunks got over 50x stronger on earth with no training partners in roughly 3 years. There's even reason to say he did so in much less time, as Gohan thinks Trunks would leave him in the dust in a couple months after their spar.
In this case my personal fanon dictates that Gohan's SSJ boost is minimal and far from the standard 50 times boost, that Daizenshuu and SEG states apply to every SSJ. Since the manga doesn't say that it's the same boost for everyone, I can't be contradicted by the original source at least.
So Base Gohan is 100, while SSJ Trunks is 90 and SSJ Gohan is 140.
lash wrote:If Trunks can get that strong with a lack of training opportunities, why not Goku or anyone else? Based on this I don't see why Trunks couldn't get a large amount stronger from his last appearance with Cyborg Freeza either. Trying to calculate statistical gains are absolutely pointless if you ask me. The author makes them as strong as he wants, as quickly as he wants. Just a different perspective I'm throwing out.
Then why can't Piccolo on Namek be stronger than 90.000 Goku
before fusing with Nail? Or maybe you also changed your view on that?
jackjack wrote:dbgtFO wrote:It makes sense to me considering the lack of statements about Goku's improvement
But Goku's full power wasn't even revealed, and what about Piccolo telling others that his power should be higher than what they were seeing as though it was different from what it was 3 years back?
dbgtFO wrote:but that's seriously what the story tells me.
Still though, by your own logic there should've been implications about Goku's regression if sick Goku < healthy Goku = Goku (Yardrat) were true; we got nothing on that, whereas his improvement was hinted by both Goku and Piccolo.
Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P8.4-5, P9.
Piccolo: “Have you noticed too, Gohan?...”
Gohan: “Y-yes…”
Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...”
Tenshinhan: “Th-that miserable condition…!? What are you talking about? Goku’s overwhelmingly pushing him back…!”
Piccolo: “It’s not that. As a Super Saiyan, Goku’s power should be more stupendous than this…”
So Goku was close to Full Power, not far away from it, which means he could be at 150, while full power would be 170, so the difference between Yardrat Goku & Sick Androids Goku would not be that noticeable for the ones, who only felt his Yardrat power once(the Earthlings, specifically Tenshinhan, who acts like it's the first time he's seen a SSJ). Of course, I'm just nerfing everyone other than Piccolo to make it fit with my belief, that Trunks didn't get significantly stronger in those 8 months/2 years/3 years, but that's how I see it.
And this off-topic discussion has gone on long enough, so to get back on track...
Evil Boo(Super Buu) is stronger than Pure Boo(Kid Buu) to such an extent, that Goku thought he stood no chance against Evil Boo, while he was confident in his ability to manage something against Pure Boo and went on to have an equal fight with him.
The confusion arises, when you've only seen the anime version of that fight, where it's stated that Pure Boo is amongst other things on a whole other level than the previous Boos. And the only significant quote in the manga, that might confuse readers is Goku's quote about Gohan's ki not being enough to wipe out Boo, when Goku's Kamehameha previously was. This is coupled with noone actually knowing how genki relates to ki. However nothing speaks as clearly as a definite statement about who's stronger than who and since we don't get one like that confirming Goku was stronger than even Gohan during the Pure Boo fight, he simply wasn't.
Although I do find it irritating, that Goku didn't at least comment on Evil Boo, SSJ 3 Gotenks and Gohan surpassing him by far, when he first sensed them, perhaps Toriyama thought, that it wasn't needed since Goku had already stated Gotenks would surpass him.
