How many Kais are there?

[JJ94]

I just recently thought of something that got me wondering. If each Kai is over a quadrant of a galaxy and each Supreme kai is over a quadrant of the universe, are there more sets of kais we never heard of? I mean you have the Grand Supreme Kai overthe Supreme kais then they are over there own quadrant of the universe,which has a grand kai, who is over 4 kais that have their own quadrant of a galaxy. Basically what i'm trying to ask is do each supreme kai have their own set of 4 kais? I hope you all understand my question.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Basically what i'm trying to ask is do each supreme kai have their own set of 4 kais?

Short answer, no. Just:
1 Dai Kaioshin
4 Kaioshin
1 Dai Kaio
4 Kaio

Read these for great in-depth information provided by Herms, who is the bee's knees.
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the DB Galaxy (Gods)
http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =7&t=11596
On the 4 galaxies
http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... 6&p=302382

[JJ94]

Basically what i'm trying to ask is do each supreme kai have their own set of 4 kais?

Short answer, no. Just:
1 Dai Kaioshin
4 Kaioshin
1 Dai Kaio
4 Kaio

Read these for great in-depth information provided by Herms, who is the bee's knees.
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the DB Galaxy (Gods)
http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =7&t=11596
On the 4 galaxies
http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... 6&p=302382

thanks

[Herms]

Just to add on to that, the idea that the Kaios rule a quadrant of the galaxy is a fan misconception and/or dub error. In the manga, it's established that each Kaio rules an entire galaxy (or multiple galaxies, it's kinda vague), and the anime and guidebooks set out that there are only a total of 4 galaxies in the DB universe, each one ruled by a Kaio. The Dai-Kaio (Grand Kai) supervises the 4 regular Kaios and the entire universe, while the Kaioshins (Supreme Kais) supervise both the universe and the afterlife as well, and oversee the 5 Kaios.

I think the incorrect idea of the Kaios each ruling only a quadrant of a galaxy may in part have come from DBZ movie 9, where the 4 Kaios are said to have teamed up and imprisoned Bojack in a planet "at the end of the galaxy". Which galaxy? It doesn't say (though due to the ambiguities of Japanese, it's possible they meant "end of the galaxies"), so this kind of gives the impression that the 4 Kaios all share a single galaxy. I think this may be what gave the Planet Namek.com guys this idea for their wrong (but influential) guide laying out just such a scheme, as discussed in the "On the 4 Galaxies" thread. Also, I hear that the Funi dub of the afterlife tournament referred to the 4 Kaios as ruling over "quadrants" rather than galaxies like in the original, so that may have contributed too. But I think they also used "galaxies" too at other points in the dub.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Something I was wondering...they don't say how Enma Daio is picked, like they do with the Kaio and the Kaioshins? All that seems to be said is that Enma trained under North Kaio. Maybe those deemed worthy enough to keep their body have to run the road to a Kaio's planet and be deemed worthy to be a judge of the dead by that Kaio. The Enma we know was the first and only one to do it. Who were the ones before him, then? There's no fruit like with the Kaio and the Kaioshins.

[kaialone]

Something I was wondering...they don't say how Enma Daio is picked, like they do with the Kaio and the Kaioshins? All that seems to be said is that Enma trained under North Kaio. Maybe those deemed worthy enough to keep their body have to run the road to a Kaio's planet and be deemed worthy to be a judge of the dead by that Kaio. The Enma we know was the first and only one to do it. Who were the ones before him, then? There's no fruit like with the Kaio and the Kaioshins.

I alwas thought he was like a deity that has existed since .... ever.

[Herms]

Yeah, there's no real information on how Enma got his gig. I think all we know is that he went to Kaio's to train sometime in the last 100 million years (500 years ago according to the anime), but even then, he might have already been judge of the dead at that point. Enma's kinda the odd man out among DB gods because he's based on an actual deity from a real world religion. Maybe this made Toriyama feel weird about coming up with an origin for him, so he never did (not that Toriyama seems to take Enma very seriously, as we see in DB and especially Dr. Slump).

If I remember right, in Hinduism some stories say that Yama (=Enma) became judge of the dead by virtue of being the first person to ever die, so maybe something similar happened with DB Enma. Or, being a Yu Yu Hakusho fan, I like to think that there's a long line of DB Enmas; each one has a son who eventually succeeds him.