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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by dbgtFO » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:25 pm

kaialone wrote:I dont really mind.Wether its "Goku" "Son" or "Son Goku" its all correct.I for example tend to call him "Son Goku" and soetimes only "Goku"
I call him "Son Goku", when saying his name out loud, since that's the way it's done in the danish manga and dub, so saying "Goku" is just weird to me.

Of course that's only when speaking in my native language...


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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by Rory » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:00 pm

My name is "Rory McHugo".
I some of my friends call me Rory, and some call me McHugo. I'm no stranger to second naming people and have absolute no idea why this would annoy you in the slightest.
His name's Son Goku, guy. Get used to it, or get used to being irritated in talking to 90% of the Daizenshuu EX users.

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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:43 pm

Everyone else has already said it...but 'Son Gokû' is his name. Eastern names are written with the family name first. Some character's call him 'Son[-kun]' or 'Son Gokû', others 'Gokû' or 'Gokû-sa'. His name is his name is his name. If I'm referring to him through the eyes of Bulma I might call him 'Son-kun', if Piccolo or Tenshinhan 'Son'. If I'm just being a lazy dog I'll write 'Son', because that's only three keys. :p

I knew plenty of people in school by their last name, rather that their first name. It's just some people's shtick, espicially on a sports team.
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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by Rory » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:06 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Everyone else has already said it...but 'Son Gokû' is his name. Eastern names are written with the family name first. Some character's call him 'Son[-kun]' or 'Son Gokû', others 'Gokû' or 'Gokû-sa'. His name is his name is his name. If I'm referring to him through the eyes of Bulma I might call him 'Son-kun', if Piccolo or Tenshinhan 'Son'. If I'm just being a lazy dog I'll write 'Son', because that's only three keys. :p

I knew plenty of people in school by their last name, rather that their first name. It's just some people's shtick, espicially on a sports team.
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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:09 pm

Man, lemme try saying somethin' on topic...uh...Trunks!! Yes, there was one time when Future Trunks called Gokû 'Son-san'. That was the first and last time that ever happened! And now you know...
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JulieYBM wrote:Everyone else has already said it...but 'Son Gokû' is his name. Eastern names are written with the family name first. Some character's call him 'Son[-kun]' or 'Son Gokû', others 'Gokû' or 'Gokû-sa'. His name is his name is his name. If I'm referring to him through the eyes of Bulma I might call him 'Son-kun', if Piccolo or Tenshinhan 'Son'. If I'm just being a lazy dog I'll write 'Son', because that's only three keys. :p

I knew plenty of people in school by their last name, rather that their first name. It's just some people's shtick, espicially on a sports team.
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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by MetaMoss » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:36 pm

I find it normal. He is "Son Goku", so why hide it? It's like this guy I know in our school we always call by his last name because there's too many people with his last name, or this other guy we just call "G" when his last name is Gordon, but then we starting calling the other guy which shares his first name "Witty", when his last name is Witwer... anyways I went off on a rant. Now its kinda gone full circle with the Kai dub having "Son Goku" name dropped (and on a side note, I saw an Issue of Nintendo Power say "Son Goku rises again" or something like that when previewing Origins 2. Just saying). :mrgreen:
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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by Ahiru77 » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:37 pm

^ Nintendo just rules like that, goes it's own way. If they wanna call him Son Goku, they call him Son Goku.

Now that we're on the name...how long must Bulma be friends with Goku before she's comfortable with calling him Goku-kun or something like that ?

An eternity wouldn't be enough I suppose. :lol:

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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by Adamant » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:01 pm

Michsi wrote: Interesting fact, in the german Version "Son" and "Goku" weren't seperate words. He was actually named Songoku. And his kids Songohan and Songoten.
At least, that's how I remember it.
It was Son-Goku, Son-Gohan and Son-Goten.
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Post by Herms » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:11 pm

DemonRin wrote:Goku, Gohan, and Goten all have "Son" in front of their names because its their surname. It's their "Last" name so to speak. If their names were translated out to Western name order, it'd be "Goku Son" "Gohan Son" and "Goten Son".
Just to preempt anyone asking why people don't call him "Goku Son" in English, it should be pointed out that while it's typical in English to write the names of modern (ie post-Meiji Restoration) Japanese people in Western order, the names of pre-modern Japanese figures and modern people from other Asian countries such as China or Korea are still written in English with the surname first. For instance, in English you'll hear of Tokugawa Yoshinobu rather than "Yoshinobu Tokugawa", or Hu Jintao and Kim Jong-il rather than "Jintao Hu" or "Jong-il Kim" (it's also by no means universal for the names of even modern Japanese people to be written in Western order). Goku's namesake Sun Wukong is both ancient and Chinese, so naturally you don't see his name written "Wukong Sun". It makes sense to treat Goku's name the same way. Though is should be noted that at the end of the series, Goten is seen wearing a shirt that says "Goten Son".
I have no idea why the Son family are the only characters who are given surnames, but there you go.
Well, there's also the various characters from Penguin Village, and "Ten" might be Tenshinhan's surname, since Chaozu and the tournament announcer call him "Ten" ("Ten-san" or "Contestant Ten") and in the anime he says something about the Shishin no Ken being the secret technique of the Ten School of martial arts. There's also Mo Kekko, and maybe some other random people.

Videl does tell Gohan that it's rare these days for people to have surnames, so this is addressed in the series, if not actually explained.
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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by Turtle Marked Stone » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:14 pm

Herms wrote: Videl does tell Gohan that it's rare these days for people to have surnames, so this is addressed in the series, if not actually explained.
Does she? That's really neat. That seems oddly thought out for a Toriyama manga.

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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by Herms » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:27 pm

Turtle Marked Stone wrote:Does she? That's really neat. That seems oddly thought out for a Toriyama manga.
Yeah, Videl works out that Gohan is probably the son of the former tournament champion Son Goku because they have the same surname, and there aren't that many people with any surname at all. Also, in the SEG: Character Guide, Toriyama says that in the region where Mister Satan and Videl live people don't have surnames, which is why Satan's real name is only "Mark" (and not "Mark Satan" as some people have mistakenly thought), and Videl's name is just "Videl". So this indicates that a lack of surname is at least in part a regional thing, which fits in well with how everyone in Penguin Village has them, but elsewhere it seems nobody does. I guess just going by what we see in the series that there aren't too many regions that have them. I suppose the region Grampa Gohan came from must be another.

Anyway, I'd assume the "out-universe" explanation for the rareness of surnames is that it's just less work for Toriyama if he only has to come up with a given name for each character and not a surname to boot.
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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by Michsi » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:40 pm

Herms wrote:
Turtle Marked Stone wrote:Does she? That's really neat. That seems oddly thought out for a Toriyama manga.
Yeah, Videl works out that Gohan is probably the son of the former tournament champion Son Goku because they have the same surname, and there aren't that many people with any surname at all. Also, in the SEG: Character Guide, Toriyama says that in the region where Mister Satan and Videl live people don't have surnames, which is why Satan's real name is only "Mark" (and not "Mark Satan" as some people have mistakenly thought), and Videl's name is just "Videl". So this indicates that a lack of surname is at least in part a regional thing, which fits in well with how everyone in Penguin Village has them, but elsewhere it seems nobody does. I guess just going by what we see in the series that there aren't too many regions that have them. I suppose the region Grampa Gohan came from must be another.

Anyway, I'd assume the "out-universe" explanation for the rareness of surnames is that it's just less work for Toriyama if he only has to come up with a given name for each character and not a surname to boot.

Wow, first of all I don't remember Videl actually saying that, but most amazingly the-no-one-has-a-surname issue is actually adressed and explained. I always found it weird that no one has surnames in the DB Universe but I simply thought they were just never mentioned because Toriyama never bothered commig up with any. But now that I know the "in universe" explanation, I have to admit, it makes the DB world a little bit weirder for me. It's like there is no way to identify individual families.

But I think Herms' "out-universe" explanation is the real cause of this. I mean, Toriyama used theme based names for certain character groups and races not necessarily because they were funnier this way, but because it made nameing the characters easier. His wife must've been preparing a salad when he was desinging the saiyans.

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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by kei17 » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:51 pm

Most Japanese people did not have an official surname until 1870, so no one having a surname doesn't sound weird to me.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:14 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:Exactly. His name is Son Gokuh. The Sons are the only ones with a surname. And for whatever reason, Chichi didn't take on the name. Neither did Videl. But it might be because of the tradition to give part of your name to your son (children?). I remember something reading about that. that also explains why we have GOhan, GOkuh, and GOten.
Women don't necessarily have to take the surname of their husbands. And that tradition may not even exist in the Dragon World, since there are regions without surnames (and I think I recall Videl saying in the Boo arc that surnames are rare nowadays).
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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by dbgtFO » Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:05 pm

Since my first post in this thread hasn't showed up yet, I'll just post it again:
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kaialone wrote:I dont really mind.Wether its "Goku" "Son" or "Son Goku" its all correct.I for example tend to call him "Son Goku" and soetimes only "Goku"
I call him "Son Goku", when saying his name out loud, since that's the way it's done in the danish manga and dub, so saying "Goku" is just weird to me.

Of course that's only when speaking in my native language...

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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by penguintruth » Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:14 pm

I smile instantly when Bulma calls him "Son-kun", especially when he's an adult. He's still in some ways that little kid with the tail she befriended so long ago. I think it's adorable.
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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by Mountain » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:24 pm

I love when Piccolo calls him "Son". Too bad the FUNi dub doesn't use it much.

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Re: Referring to character: "Son" vs "Goku" vs "Son Goku"

Post by 19Nyoi-bō95 » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:31 pm

It's not so much that i'm annoyed when people call him just "Son", but really why would you do that? Most people know him as Goku, or Son Goku. It's just somones excuse to be cute.
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Re: Honest Question to [English] Dub fans

Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:37 pm

As I, and others have already said:
Gaffer Tape wrote:I don't even see how that could be considered annoying, given that several characters in the series do refer to him as "Son," so it's not as if fans of the Japanese version are going out of their way to somehow separate themselves from dub fans.
Bulma, Tenshinhan, and Piccolo all refer to him by his surname. Bulma almost exclusively so. Trunks refers to him as Son-san at least once. So, no, it's not just some fans trying to be cute. It's his legitimate name and is often used by other characters to refer to him.
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