Shouldn't Tenshinhan be alive?

[beast mode]

Tenshinhan never stops training, even in peacetime. So his 'Future' self should be at the same level as the main timeline, regardless of not being informed about the Artificial Humans.

If the Shin Kikoho is truly powerful enough to affect beings even as strong as Semiperfect Cell, then shouldn't he have been able to survive in Trunks' future?

[Herms]

Tenshinhan never stops training, even in peacetime. So his 'Future' self should be at the same level as the main timeline, regardless of not being informed about the Artificial Humans.

That's quite an assumption. Even if he always trains anyway, would he really not train any harder if he knew his life and the fate of the world was on the line?

[Fox666]

If the Shin Kikoho is truly powerful enough to affect beings even as strong as Semiperfect Cell

The Daizenshuu describes the Shin Kikoho as an attack that "continuously fires the Kihoho" (in fact it seem to be classified as a "Rapid Fire-type" attack)

This seems to make sense, since so far the Tenshinhan has used only 1 Kikoho per fight as far I remember


I believe that the Shin Kikoho could have little to do with power, or at least how Tenshinhan's power compare to Cell.

Something like a gigantic Kiai attack that can might anyone, because it works like air pressure rather than a impacting technique, so having more power won't help much to overcome it.

In other words, it's something related to how the attacks works, not to the gap in power beetween two characters. Compare to a mere rock that hit Kuririn's head during the battle with Freeza.....

So in that case the effect on 17 and 18 would be the same as with Cell. It would help someone to espace, but wouldn't do more than superficial damage

[Michsi]

I don't really see it destroying the androids. I imagine all it could do is push them back and hold them down for a while, but even so, in order to do so he would have to keep firing and wihout a senzu around I guess he woud've ended up dead anyway.
And not to mention, the first fight between the Z-figthers and 18 and 17 should be pretty telling. He would've been taken out in one hit, probably before even thinking to use the Kikoho.

[beast mode]

It seemed to be hurting Semi-Perfect Cell, whereas Piccolo and the present 17 are both unable to touch him before transforming... and they could no doubt win one-on-one against the future versions of the artificial humans.

I just assume that if you are weaker than someone who can't touch a Cell who's way less powerful than the Cell who gets hurt by the Shin Kikoho, it must do some serious damage to you.

Unless that Kikoho against Nappa was really just a way of slowing him down...

[Michsi]

I don't think it was hurting Cell, just kept pushing him back.

And I imagine that the fight between Tenshinhan and the androids in Fututre Trunks time line was similar with the first one we see in the main time line. He gets taken down in one hit if i remember correctly and the only reason he and the others survived is because these androids were different and chose not to kill them.

[Fox666]

It seemed to be hurting Semi-Perfect Cell

During the Freeza battle, Kuririn was hit by a rock. Not everything is reduced to power, or at least Toriyama seems to ignore it in some cases

[Senzu_Bean]

Look at this way - If Tenshinhan doesn't use the Kikoho against the cyborgs they kill him. If Tenshinhan uses the Kikoho against the cyborgs he has 50% of killing them and 100% of dieing in the process. What actually happened in the present timeline gives a good indication what probably happened in the future.

And:

Shin~ [New~]
First Appearance: Chapter 373
People: Tenshinhan
Special Characteristics: A technique that increases the force of the Kikoho. An attack that becomes possible when one has improved their abilities through intense training. Tenshinhan fired this technique to stop Cell from moving when Cell was trying to absorb No.18, but he used up all of his power and collapsed. (Daizenshuu 4, p.112)

Basically the Shin Kikoho is for the Kikoho what Super Kamehameha is for the Kamehameha.

[Fox666]

I had asked Herms about this before, his reply seems to make sense: "I tend to think it works like in Attack of the Saiyans: the Shin-Kikoho fires multiple blasts, each one of which is more powerful than a regular Kikoho."

[Michsi]

Besides we have no idea if the Shin Kikoho isn't a technique that Tenshinhan developed while preparing for the androids.
Not to mention that main time line Tenshinhan is probably a lot stronger then the one from Future Trunks time line would've been .

[Piccolo Daimao]

Tenshinhan would've trained a lot harder knowing that he's meant to be killed in three years in a battle with the Androids. And even if he did have the Shin Kikoho in the future, see how quickly he was taken out by #17 in the main timeline. I imagine the battle in which they were all killed played out similar to that. Either that, or he would've used too much energy and died as a result.

[SSJGoku93]

Even if he was just as strong, you're talking about him going up against two killing machines that can take down a Super Saiyan.