Near Death Power- Up

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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by Senzu_Bean » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:22 pm

Goku was several minutes unconscious. Five minutes is enough to give brain damage or even kill. So, of course that doesn't happen in Dragonball.

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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by Fox666 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:34 pm

Just for reference:
http://www.kanzentai.com/bp.php?id=guide
What about the change in Goku's battle power after that?
Even after the battle with Freeza, formidable enemies surpassing human knowledge appeared one after the other to face Goku. Though the power-ups received after having wounds healed became small, Goku and co. began using transformations and fusions to increase their battle powers, to the point where they could no longer be measured numerically...

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The ending paragraph seems to mostly be a way of explaining why no battle powers are available after the battle with Freeza, saying that past this point battle powers become simply immeasurable. The way the note about near-death power-ups becoming "small" is phrased in Japanese (sukunakunatta), it could either mean that they became small, infrequent, or simply insufficient.
Was it ever stated that Broly got a near-death power-up? Or are fans just assuming this because he looks¹ strong...?

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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by dbgtFO » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:36 pm

Fox666 wrote:Was it ever stated that Broly got a near-death power-up? Or are fans just assuming this because he looks¹ strong...?
I do believe it was stated in a Daizenshuu volume(the sixth most likely).
I remember this guy on this forum, who repeatedly asked for Broli translations and IIRC a Daizenshuu quote saying Broli got stronger during those 7 years was one of those he was interested in getting translated.

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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:37 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:Goku was several minutes unconscious. Five minutes is enough to give brain damage or even kill. So, of course that doesn't happen in Dragonball.
You talk about it as if five minutes of unconsciousness always definitely means brain damage of death, when there have been causes of people who've been unconscious for a long time and survived mostly unharmed (as in, no lasting side-effects).

And again, Goku's a Super Saiyan. He's not normal.
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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by Senzu_Bean » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:39 pm

Fox666 wrote:Was it ever stated that Broly got a near-death power-up? Or are fans just assuming this because he looks¹ strong...?
Mr. Toriyama sketch of Broly design states he got stronger.
Piccolo Daimao wrote:And again, Goku's a Super Saiyan. He's not normal.
Thus you prove my point. Unconsciousness doesn't kill the Saiyans, which means they never got near death after Namek.

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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:42 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:And again, Goku's a Super Saiyan. He's not normal.
Thus you prove my point. Unconsciousness doesn't kill the Saiyans, which means they never got near death after Namek.
Unless the one making the person unconscious is so much stronger than the Saiyan in question. Like Zarbon piledriving Vegeta, who soon afterwards fell unconscious, but still got a big enough Zenkai to eventually kill Zarbon.
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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by Senzu_Bean » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:43 pm

Well, Vegeta didn't get as much beaten by #18 and he did by Zarbon.

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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by Fox666 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:41 pm

In comics unconscious don't harm characters. :lol:

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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by beast mode » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:38 am

In all works of fiction, everyone knows the secret spot where you can hit someone's head to cause zero brain damage while knocking them unconscious.
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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by Kroni_Hunter » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:00 am

Gohan definitely almost died after being attacked by Buu, his ki was so low nobody could even find him.
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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by Rocketman » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:12 am

Kroni_Hunter wrote:Gohan definitely almost died after being attacked by Buu, his ki was so low nobody could even find him.
In that case, though, Buu outright states Gohan didn't gain any strength.

Of course, that is after Gohan had every scrap of hidden power unlocked, so maybe there was nothing left for the zenkai to draw on.

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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by Fox666 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:16 am

Rocketman wrote:Of course, that is after Gohan had every scrap of hidden power unlocked, so maybe there was nothing left for the zenkai to draw on.
Touché

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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:14 am

Rocketman wrote:
Kroni_Hunter wrote:Gohan definitely almost died after being attacked by Buu, his ki was so low nobody could even find him.
In that case, though, Buu outright states Gohan didn't gain any strength.

Of course, that is after Gohan had every scrap of hidden power unlocked, so maybe there was nothing left for the zenkai to draw on.
Isn't he talking about when Fat Boo blasted him away? Vegeta couldn't sense his ki and thought he was dead.

As for during his fight with Gotenks Boo, I don't think it was stated that he was at near-death. He was just beaten up.
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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by Kroni_Hunter » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:16 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Kroni_Hunter wrote:Gohan definitely almost died after being attacked by Buu, his ki was so low nobody could even find him.
In that case, though, Buu outright states Gohan didn't gain any strength.

Of course, that is after Gohan had every scrap of hidden power unlocked, so maybe there was nothing left for the zenkai to draw on.
I'm talking about the first time he fights Buu. He was on the brink of death and had to be healed by Kibito. (Or was it Kaio, can't remember.)
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Re: Near Death Power- Up

Post by dbgtFO » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:13 pm

Kroni_Hunter wrote:I'm talking about the first time he fights Buu. He was on the brink of death and had to be healed by Kibito. (Or was it Kaio, can't remember.)
It was Kibito.
And you are right, Gohan was near death as was stated by Kaioshin.

Since Vegeta was nowhere near death against Recoom, but still got massively more powerful, I don't think it matters much that "only" his arm was broken against #18. Afterall #17 stated they would all die, which means they ALL would, so Vegeta was near death, but if he did get a power up it was nothing noteworthy, which goes with the D7 statement.

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