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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:40 pm

This is my new battle power list, from the beginning of DB to the Freeza arc.

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Son Gokuu: 10
Oozaru: 100
At twice the power of an ordinary person, he's strong enough to repel a gun bullet. He's strong enough to knock Yamcha around with the Janken, even when he's hungry, and knock out Yamcha's tooth when he's got a full stomach. As stated by Vegeta, a Saiyan's battle power becomes x10 greater as an Oozaru.

Yamcha: 8
His Rouga Fuu-Fuu Ken damaged Gokuu and he could hold his own against him even when he had a full stomach, but he was still at a loss. However, later at the 21st TB, Gokuu says that when he fought him, he was so fast he couldn't see him, and that he's "super-duper strong".

Kuririn: 8
Comparing his and Yamcha's performances against Gokuu, Yamcha was able to hold his own against Gokuu, while Kuririn was quickly beaten up and forced to give up.

Kame-sennin: 28
Full power: 56

Gyuumaou: 23
He was Kame-sennin's #2 disciple, and Oolong said that he was "an absurdly fearsome guy, so much so that he’s called the emperor of demons".

21st Tenkaichi Budoukai

Son Gokuu: 30
Oozaru: 300
He's even with Kame-sennin, as their Kamehamehas cancelled each other's out, but Kame-sennin's victory was only due to his kick digging deeper during their clash, due to his longer legs. As usual, he gets a x10 boost as an Oozaru.

Kame-sennin: 30
Full power: 60
He's even with Gokuu, as their Kamehamehas cancelled each other's out, and his victory was only due to his kick digging deeper during their clash, due to his longer legs. I thought double his power was a nice estimate for his full power.

Kuririn: 24
He made his master use his hand and manages to keep up with his speed, but he's still outmatched. Even Kuririn admits that, "in terms of actual ability, [Jackie Chun] is overwhelmingly superior" and that he'll "obviously lose if [he] fights him head-to-head". He's slightly stronger than Gyuumao because Kame-sennin was constantly surprised by both Gokuu and Kuririn during their training and at the tournament, such as when they moved the enormous rock and their performances against him at the tournament.

Yamcha: 20
Comparing his and Kuririn's performances against Kame-sennin, Yamcha is effortlessly blown out of bounds by a blast of wind, while Kuririn manages to keep up with his mentor's speed.

Namu: 28
He fights evenly against Gokuu, but Gokuu's still the superior fighter. Gokuu takes Namu's Tenku-Pekeji-Ken head-on and is able to stand back up after the blow. After their match, Namu himself admits that it was a "total loss".

Giran: 16
He only gave Gokuu some trouble because of his Guru-Guru Gum, so it's hard to pinpoint his power. So I just shrugged and gave him an arbitrary number.

Bacterian: 8
Yamcha says that he's got "fearsome physical strength", but his reputation's probably more to do with his stench that "prevents his opponents from using their arms, leaving them vulnerable to his attacks".

Ran-Fan: 6
Although she seems to pretty much rely on sex appeal, I'm skeptical as to whether that worked on everyone, so I assume that she must at least have been pretty skilled in the martial arts to pass in the preliminaries. At any rate, Daizenshuu 7 mentions in her section in the Human Racial Dictionary that she's "reasonably skilled at fighting".

Red Ribbon Army

Son Gokuu: 32
Post-Muscle Tower: 34
Karin's training: 110
As said by Kuririn during his fight with General Blue, Gokuu has become even stronger than he was at the Tenkaichi Budoukai, from fighting at the tournament and battling the Red Ribbon Army (two negligible increases from fighting strong opponents is enough for Kuririn to notice the increase). After Karin's training, his power has increased greatly, and now he's strong enough to overpower Tao Pai Pai.

Kuririn: 25
He's gained a negligible increase either from fighting in the tournament or training.

Karin: 150
In the Piccolo Daimaou arc, Karin says that Gokuu had "already acquired enough power to surpass even [him]".

Android #8: 38
Gokuu says that #8's punch to White that sent him off into the mountains was "a lot more incredible than [his own]".

Arale: 42
Arale's "about as fast as [Gokuu's] Kinto'un" and sends Blue very far away (in fact, near pyramids), which impresses Gokuu, and after Arale tells Gokuu about her friends, Gokuu says that there are many people stronger than him in the world, so he has to train more.

Bora: 22
Nothing much to go on here (apart from tanking bullets with no problem), so I just plonked him between Yamcha and Kuririn.

Colonel Silver: 7
Average level for an average fighter.

General White: 7
Average level for an average fighter.

Sergeant Metallic: 26
A hard (quite literally) guy to pinpoint. He seems to have more mechanical durability than power, as he's knocked down easily by Gokuu's attacks, yet still gets back up without a scratch. And after Gokuu headbutts him, he cries, "Owy! Whatta hard face…!" So I guess he must be at least around Kuririn's level.

Sergeant Major Murasaki: 9
White says that he has "real strength" and he survives a shuriken to the head, which makes Gokuu say that he's "quite tough too", but Gokuu runs circles around him.

General Blue: 29
Strong enough to beat up Kuririn even without his paralysis, but is schooled by Gokuu. He only uses his paralysis against Kuririn because he gets annoyed that, after surprising him with his Zanzouken, he kicked his "beautiful face" hard enough to make him bleed.

Tao Pai Pai: 95
He kills Blue with his tongue alone, tanks Gokuu's Kamehameha and almost kills Gokuu with his Dodonpa. But after Gokuu powers up from his training under Karin, even his Dodonpa and ultimate combo can't defeat him.

Adjutant Black: 8
Before his battle with Gokuu, he claims that "this won't go [as easily] as it did with the others before me". But it seems like he's talking out of his ass, since he doesn't seem any stronger than General Blue and suggested to Red that they should retreat, like the others, without the DBs, since they'd just seen him decimate the entire army.

Uranai Baba

Son Gokuu: 113
He's gained a negligible increase from his battle with the Tao Pai Pai and decimation of the Red Ribbon Army headquarters.

Son Gohan: 107
Despite the fact that they fought an even battle, Gohan says that he was "no match" for Gokuu.

Kuririn: 25

Yamcha: 21
He's gained a negligible increase from training.

Dracula Man: 12
Suke-san: 14
Mummy-kun: 47
Akkuman: 55
Uranai Baba said that her champions got progressively stronger, and Yamcha easily defeated Suke-san, who was stronger than Dracula Man, which must mean (if it wasn't evident already) that Dracula Man's much weaker than Kuririn, and his win was only due to the fact that he sucked Kuririn's blood. Mummy-kun was considered "incredibly fast" and "ferociously good" by Roushi, who said that, "up until now, Gokuu probably wouldn't have have been able to win". Roushi's further surprised when Gokuu takes a full-on, unguarded assault without damage, then defeats Mummy-kun with a single blow. Akkuman was a master who'd won the Tenkaichi Budoukai in the past, but Gokuu had powered up so much that he made him seem like nothing special to Kuririn, and he knocks him out with one hit.

22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai

Son Gokuu: 150
Tenshinhan says that Gokuu has the right to take the prize money, because it was just lucky that he won, and by actual ability, he lost.

Tenshinhan: 150
Tenshinhan says that Gokuu has the right to take the prize money, because it was just lucky that he won, and by actual ability, he lost.

Kame-sennin: 139
Tenshinhan says that Kame-sennin's power goes above even Tsuru-sennin. Kame-sennin admits that he probably would've lost if they had continued fighting, but as Tenshinhan said at the end of their battle, he still hadn't put out his full power. Although neither had Tenshinhan, judging by the fact that he mentions that Kame-sennin's not dead because he would be disqualified, but he planned to kill Gokuu in their match.

Tsuru-sennin: 86
He's weaker than his younger brother Tao Pai Pai because, while he was retired, Tao Pai Pai had been an assassin for 20 years, so he was still "active". Tenshinhan said that Kame-sennin was stronger than Tsuru-sennin, making it seem like a big deal, and didn't say that Kuririn or Yamcha was stronger than Tsuru-sennin, after he'd seen the former fight Chaozu and fought the latter himself. So neither Kuririn nor Yamcha are stronger than Tsuru-sennin.

Kuririn: 78

Yamcha: 72
Kuririn says that Yamcha was "about as good as [him]". He's managed to close the gap between them a bit more from training under Kame-sennin.

Chaozu: 60
Kuririn was pushing Chaozu back in their battle, and he only had a really tough fight against him because of his Bukuujutsu, Dodonpa and paralysis.

King Chapa: 58
An incredible master who, when he last participated, won the entire tournament without once being struck by an opponent. Kame-sennin said that Gokuu had found himself in a sticky match, and said that now they would see how much he'd developed over the past three years.

Panput: 27
He was a "super gifted grappler", but nothing special in Gokuu and Kuririn's eyes.

Man-Wolf: 8
He had a 30-dan in kenpou and slaughtered another competitor in the preliminaries, but his and Kame-sennin's skill levels were too different.

Piccolo Daimaou

Son Gokuu: 153
Super God Water: 210
He's gained a negligible increase from fighting in the tournament. After his hidden power is drawn out, he kills Drum in one kick and is even with Piccolo Daimaou, even pushing him back.

Tenshinhan: 153
He's gained a negligible increase from fighting in the tournament.

Yajirobe: 146
Gokuu claimed that he'd never met anyone so resilient, which must mean that Yajirobe's the most durable warrior he's ever fought (since he can't be any stronger than Tenshinhan - we don't see him fight nearly as evenly with Gokuu as Tenshinhan did).

God: 313
Mr. Popo says that God is "far, far more incredible" than himself. God flicks Gokuu back like a bug with his finger.

Mr. Popo: 286
He outclasses Gokuu in everything, prompting Gokuu to remark that he'd never met anyone as strong as him before.

Piccolo Daimaou: 185
Youth restored: 210
He thoroughly thrashes Gokuu and tanks his Kamehameha like it's nothing, and when his youth is restored with the Dragon Balls, he becomes even strong. He's even with the newly powered-up Gokuu, but has to resort to taking Tenshinhan hostage when he realizes he can't defeat him.

Tambourine: 120
Cymbal: 100
Drum: 188
Tambourine killed Kuririn. He's stronger than his fellow Demon Clansman, Cymbal, but is killed by Gokuu. Cymbal's this strong because Yajirobe killing Cymbal was supposed to make Yajirobe seem that more amazing, which wouldn't work if Cymbal was much weaker. Drum overwhelms Tenshinhan and is a little stronger than old man Piccolo, since he was spawned from a younger and much more powerful Piccolo, but is killed in one kick by Gokuu.

23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai

Son Gokuu: 221
Without weights: 364
With his weights, he was even with Tenshinhan, but he wasn't breathing hard while Tenshinhan was. He had more stamina than Tenshinhan, but Tenshinhan had the advantage in speed. But when Gokuu removes his weights, he takes Tenshinhan's belt without him even noticing, and later fights Piccolo on even ground, having a slight advantage (since, five years later, when they'd both been training hard, Gokuu had a BP of 416, while Piccolo had a BP of 408).

Piccolo: 357
He's much stronger than the previous Piccolo, and God says that the gap between their powers was too big.

Kuririn: 179
He impressed Piccolo, making him think that he wouldn't be able to take over the world so easily. But later, Piccolo says that if they all ganged up on him, they'd still be no match.

Yamcha: 154
He's treated like a baby by God, but God commended his strength based on his movements, and said that if he trained some more, he'd catch up to him.

Tenshinhan: 221
Tenshinhan says that three years ago, Gokuu's strength was "all but perfect", and he's amazed that he managed to go "so far above even that". However, while Gokuu has more stamina, Tenshinhan has the advantage in speed. Until, that is, Gokuu removes his weights.

Chaozu: 126
Taken out instantly by Tao Pai Pai.

God: 313
Tenshinhan says that Piccolo and God "far surpass any level ordinarily concievable". God says that the gap between his and Piccolo's powers was too big.

Chi-Chi: 90
Kame-sennin called Chi-Chi a master, and that her style resembled his own Kame-sen School. However, Chi-Chi didn't think that Gokuu could defeat her and that he'd get this strong, suggesting that she's at least stronger than Gokuu at the beginning of the series, having been trained by Gyuumao. Also, Gokuu blew Chi-Chi out of bounds with a shockwave harder than he meant to, smashing her against the tournament wall and she got up with barely a hair out of place, while Gokuu KO'd King Chapa with one light karate chop to the neck, which seems to me that Chi-Chi's stronger than King Chapa. But she's still far outmatched by everyone at the tournament, since she couldn't see Gokuu and Tenshinhan's movements during their battle, while Kuririn and Yamcha could.

Tao Pai Pai: 182
Tsuru-sennin said that now Tao Pai Pai had become a cyborg, he'd "obtained strength even more unimaginable than before", but everyone (except Gokuu) are shocked at Tenshinhan's easy defeat of Tao Pai Pai. After the match, Yamcha said, "Boy, I give up", and Kuririn said that "maybe he's a little too strong".

King Chapa: 75
He's trained considerably for the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai and has become much stronger, believing that he can defeat Gokuu this time. But Gokuu knocks him unconscious in one blow.

Saiyan

Raditz Invades

Son Gokuu: 334
Without weights: 416
Kamehameha: 924

Piccolo: 322
Without weights: 408
Makankousappou: 1,330
After fighting Raditz: 329

Son Gohan: 1
Upset: 710
Enraged: 1,307

Raditz: 1,500
When Piccolo had charged up his Makankousappou, he seemed to be more surprised at the fact that he'd gathered all of his battle power in his fingertips, rather than the level itself, and only realized how dangerous it was when it drilled through his armour, remarking that it would've killed him if it hit. And Vegeta called Raditz pitiful to be killed by "guys with battle powers slightly over 1,000 at most", and they know about the Makankousappou's BP, since they overheard the entire battle, in which Raditz shouted out Piccolo's BP of 1,330, so they probably knew Raditz's BP too (they at least knew he rivaled the Saibaimen). I percieve this to mean that Raditz was actually stronger than 1,330, and that the reason the Makankousappou could've killed Raditz, had he not dodged the attack, was because it drilled through the opponent rather than overwhelming them like a blast such as the Kamehameha. However, it still had an incredibly high battle power, so Piccolo probably needed to gather up enough power to make the attack strong enough to drill through Raditz, and a drilling attack with a BP of 1,330 was enough to kill a warrior with a BP of 1,500.

Kame-sennin: 139
Kuririn: 206
Yamcha: 177
Tenshinhan: 250
Chaozu: 145

Farmer: 5

Duel with the Saiyan Prince

Son Gokuu: 5,000
Full power: 8,012
Kaiouken: 16,024
Kaiouken x2: 16,024
Kaiouken x3: 24,036
Injured, Kaiouken x3, Kamehameha: 18,000
Kaiouken x4, Kamehameha: 24,000
While Kaiouken and Kaiouken x2 are basically the same thing, I listed both the Kaiouken and Kaiouken x2's BPs because Gokuu treats them as different things. As we know, each level of the Kaiouken multiplies the user's battle power by the number given. The Kaiouken x3 damaged Gokuu, as his body couldn't handle it, which is why his Kamehameha was equal to Vegeta's Galick Gun, which is 18,000 (like his BP) because he was unable to control his battle power until Namek. Using the Kaiouken x4 to overpower Vegeta's Galick Gun with his Kamehameha leaves him wrecked.

Piccolo: 1,220
Full power: 2,400
Piccolo told Gohan that if he put his mind to it, his power surpassed his own, meaning that Gohan's Masenkou at 2,800, which he fired in his anger over Piccolo's death, is stronger than Piccolo.

Son Gohan: 981
Full power: 1,050
Masenkou: 2,800

Kuririn: 1,083
Full power: 1,770

Yamcha: 1,550
The whole point of the Saibaimen fight was to show how much stronger the heroes had become, and they were stronger than guys who rivaled Raditz (and subsequently, Raditz too), but Nappa and Vegeta pulverising them made the Saiyans look that much more strong. After easily defeating his Saibaimen, Yamcha said that he could take care of the remaining 4 by himself.

Tenshinhan: 1,850

Chaozu: 910
After completing their training at God's Palace, God said that they had all surpassed him now.

Nappa: 7,500
Vegeta said that he wasn't an opponent he couldn't take if he kept his head and calmed down, and Gokuu said that if he'd taken Nappa's blast head-on, he would've been in trouble, and said that the fight would take forever.

Vegeta: 18,000
Oozaru: 120,000
On Namek, Dodoria said that before, Vegeta's battle power was "barely 18,000". Vegeta had been injured by Gokuu's Kamehameha and had to mix a ball of his own ki with the atmosphere to create the full moon needed to transform into an Oozaru, so he'd be weaker than the normal 180,000. But Gokuu said that even a Kaiouken x5 would have no effect on him, so Vegeta's BP must at least be greater than 40,060.

Saibaimen: 1,200
Kanzentai wrote:Nappa's line on the Saibaimen's strength is often translated as saying that they are "equal" to Raditz. While the verb hitteki suru can be translated as "equal", it doesn't mean equal in any sort of mathematical sense, but just that something is roughly on par with something else. In his memo to the anime staff published in the Dragon Ball Z Anime Special, Toriyama confirmed that the Saibaimen's battle power is inferior to Radtiz's, saying "But their battle power is considerably high, at a level slightly inferior to Raditz" (しかし戦闘力はかなり高くラディッツより少し劣る程度). Also, Nappa mentions that the Saibaimen rival Raditz "going just by power", so it seems that Raditz's greater intelligence gives him something of an edge over the Saibaimen, who are barely smart enough to follow simple orders.
Freeza

The War over the Dragon Balls

Son Gohan: 1,480
He's grown stronger from image-training with Kuririn on the spaceship (as meditation increases ki). Zarbon stated that Gohan and Kuririn's battle powers were both about 1,500.

Kuririn: 1,510
Without weights: 1,820
He's grown stronger from image-training with Gohan on the spaceship (as meditation increases ki). Zarbon stated that Gohan and Kuririn's battle powers were both about 1,500.

Vegeta: 24,000
Zenkai: 30,000
He easily defeats Kyui, Dodoria and Zarbon initially, but is almost killed by Zarbon after he transforms. Once he recieves Zenkai from his beating by Zarbon, he becomes strong enough to kill him, but apparently not enough to kill him without first blinding him with dirt and quickly launching an assault to reduce his stamina, suggesting that Vegeta's only a little bit stronger than transformed Zarbon. He has the same power as when he fights Recoom, as there's no reason for him to not fight Zarbon at full power.

Young Namekians: 1,000
Full power: 3,000

Kyui: 18,000
He was more or less equal to his rival, Vegeta, before his Zenkai, but was blown to bits by Vegeta after his Zenkai. Daizenshuu 7 puts Kyui at 18,000 too.

Dodoria: 22,000
Zarbon only mentions that Vegeta's battle power was higher than his and Dodoria's after Dodoria reads out Vegeta's BP of 24,000, not after Zarbon says that Vegeta's figure surpassed 22,000. But Freeza was still confident that "merely 24,000" was a figure that they would be more than able to win against if they fought together.

Zarbon: 23,000
Transformed: 28,000
Zarbon only mentions that Vegeta's battle power was higher than his and Dodoria's after Dodoria reads out Vegeta's BP of 24,000, not after Zarbon says that Vegeta's figure surpassed 22,000. But Freeza was still confident that "merely 24,000" was a figure that they would be more than able to win against if they fought together. So above 22,000, but below 24,000, sounds like a good estimate. An explanation as to why Zarbon could be killed by someone so close to his power could be that Vegeta could track Zarbon's ki movements, while Zarbon could not - something which was one of Tenshinhan's weak points during his battle against Gokuu at the 23rd TB. Once he transforms, he thrashes Vegeta, but after Vegeta's Zenkai, he's attacked off-guard and weakened enough for Vegeta to give him the finishing blow.

The Ginyuu Special-Squad Arrive!

Son Gokuu: 5,000
Full power: 90,000
Kaiouken: 180,000
If the regular Kaiouken, which puts Gokuu at 180,000, doubles his power, then his regular BP should be 90,000, which is in line with Ginyuu's estimate of Gokuu at 85,000.

Son Gohan: 12,000
Against Ginyuu: 28,000
Jheese said that "those little squirts' battle powers surpassed 10,000", and later, they are able to fight Ginyuu in Gokuu's body, who has a battle power of 23,000, and hold the upper hand. So, apparently, their power increased between then, perhaps due to the Great Elder's ability not initially drawing out all of their power and it being drawn out over time.

Kuririn: 11,000
Against Ginyuu: 25,000
Jheese said that "those little squirts' battle powers surpassed 10,000", and later, they are able to fight Ginyuu in Gokuu's body, who has a battle power of 23,000, and hold the upper hand. So, apparently, their power increased between then, perhaps due to the Great Elder's ability not initially drawing out all of their power and it being drawn out over time.

Vegeta: 30,000
In the corrected Kanzenban re-release of the manga, Vegeta's BP against Recoom was said to have risen up close to 30,000, so I just rounded it up.

Nail: 42,000

Captain Ginyuu: 90,000
Full power: 120,000
In Gokuu’s body: 23,000
He can't have been using his full power against Gokuu, as Gokuu would've been overpowered if that was the case. They fight an even battle, and Gokuu's faster than Ginyuu. Once Gokuu freaks him out with the Kaiouken, he realizes that he has no chance but to change bodies with him.

Recoom: 45,000
Butta: 44,000
Jheese: 44,500
Gurd: 2,500
Kuririn notes that Jheese and Butta have about the same amount of ki as Recoom, so I organized it to make Recoom the strongest out of the three, but the slowest; Butta the weakest out of the three, but the fastest; Jheese, smack bang in the middle. Vegeta at 30,000 was no match for Recoom, and Ginyuu estimated Gokuu at about 60,000, knowing that he defeated Recoom and Butta, so I would assume that Recoom, Butta and Jheese are between 30,000 and 60,000. Gurd relies on his psychic powers and was regarded as "nothing special" by Kuririn, so he's helluva weak compared to the others.

The Strongest Vs. The Evilest

Son Gokuu: 3,000,000
Kaiouken x10: 30,000,000
Injured, Kaiouken x20: 48,000,000
Kaiouken x20, Kamehameha: 58,000,000
Super Saiyan: 150,000,000
Gokuu's regular and SS BPs were taken from Daizenshuu 7. As usual, his power is multiplied by x10 when he uses the Kaiouken x10. He's injured after his beat-up by Freeza. And you know the rest, about SS having to be over x40 his battle power. The x50 multiplier for SS was taken from Daizenshuu 7.

Piccolo: 50,000
Merged with Nail: 1,300,000
Full power: 1,625,000
Nail was "astonished" by Piccolo's battle power, saying that he didn't know what kind of training he'd done, but he'd acquired "unbelieveable power". The "training" bit is similar to Kuririn asking what kind of training Gokuu had done after being astonished by his speed, and also when Kuririn wondered what kind of training Piccolo had done during his fight against Android #20. So, judging by Nail's statement, Piccolo must be over 42,000. After merging with Nail and fighting Freeza, Kuririn says that he's "fighting evenly with Freeza", but Vegeta says that "No…no…He’s more than [even]…".

Son Gohan: 40,000
Enraged: 1,000,000
Zenkai: 400,000
Bakurikimaha: 2,000,000
Vegeta believed that, if the three of them fought together, they could win somehow, and that Gohan and Kuririn's battle powers were steadily rising, lending more evidence to the theory that the Great Elder's power-up was gradually drawing out all their power. After an enraged Gohan attacks Freeza, he remarks that he was "no ordinary squirt", and "that even hurt [him] a little bit. So enraged Gohan should be close to Freeza's power. After his Zenkai, Vegeta notes that, "after reviving, his battle power has greately risen", and that "luck is turning their way just a little bit". Gohan's full-power Bakurikimaha gives Freeza considerable trouble and almost pushes him to the ground, but he bounces it back. Gohan's attack scared Freeza enough to transform into his true form, because Gohan and Vegeta were getting steadily stronger. So Gohan's Bakurikimaha must be close to Freeza.

Kuririn: 35,000
Vegeta believed that, if the three of them fought together, they could win, and that Gohan and Kuririn's battle powers were steadily rising, lending more evidence to the theory that the Great Elder's power-up was gradually drawing out all their power.

Vegeta: 500,000
Zenkai: 2,500,000
Vegeta said that Freeza was greatly mistaken for thinking that he could defeat him easily the way he was now, and was confident that, if they could win somehow. After Vegeta and Freeza grapple for a while and Vegeta's rapidly rising battle power destroys Freeza's scouter, Freeza said that Vegeta's claim wasn't a complete lie. All this suggests that Vegeta is pretty close to Freeza's power. After his Zenkai, he can track Freeza's movements, and is confident that he can defeat Freeza, but after Freeza gets just a little serious and raises his speed, Vegeta gives up and is tortured before being killed in a final blast.

Freeza: 530,000
2nd form: 1,060,000
Powered up: 1,200,000
Full power: 1,500,000
3rd form: 2,120,000
True form: 3,180,000
50%: 60,000,000
100%: 120,000,000
First-form Freeza's stated battle power was 530,000, so it must be just a little bit stronger than Vegeta's before his Zenkai during the battle with Freeza. After he transforms, he claims that, if his strength was put into battle power, it would surely be over 1,000,000, and we have no reason to doubt him, as he demonstrates his overwhelming strength. He battles Piccolo almost evenly, with the Namekian holding the slight advantage, but when he transforms into his third form, he beats up Piccolo with incredible speed. Furthermore, in his true form, he fights Gokuu evenly at a suppressed level, holding the slight advantage, but thrashes him at 50%. But he, in turn, is thrashed when Gokuu becomes a Super Saiyan and turns the tables. Then Freeza uses 100% of his power and fights Gokuu evenly, but is ultimately defeated after his power passes its peak and his ki steadily begins dropping.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:42 am

DragonBalls Saga

Goku 10
Yamcha 9
Kuririn 8


21st Budokai


Roshi 20
Goku 20
Kuririn 13
Yamcha 12


Red Ribbon Army

Korin 35
Goku 30
Gohan 30
Tao Pai Pai 25
Akkuman 24
Mummy 22
General Blue 15


22nd Budokai


Goku 40
Tien 40
Roshi 39
Kuririn 25
Yamcha 24



Piccolo Daimaio Saga

Kami 275
Mr Popo 150
Goku 140
Piccolo Young 140
Piccolo Old 110
Piccolo Old (45%) 50
Drum 45
Yajoribe 38
Tambourine 30
Cymbal 10


23rd Budokai

Goku
~ Weights 160
~ Full Power 320

Piccolo 320

Kami 275

Tien 145

Kuririn 125

Yamcha 150

Roshi 120





Raditz Saga



Raditz 1,250

Goku
~ Weights 334
~ Full Power 416

Piccolo
~ Weights 322
~ Full Power 408


Tien 250

Kuririn 206

Yamcha 177

Roshi 139

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Post by dbgtFO » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:59 am

I decided to go over Outer Z's battle power list and come up with explanations for what they were going for, where Herms couldn't find one.
And maybe also comment on their explanations.
+Raditz: 1,500
Outer Z had an explanation here to the effect that the reason Raditz at 1,500 could be so affected by the Makankosappo at 1,330 and Gohan and 1,307 was because Toriyama hadn’t yet ironed out how battle powers work.
But they apparently know how Battle Powers work? :lol:
Piccolo Daimao a couple posts above this makes a brilliant point about Raditz's 1,500.
*Piccolo: 1,220
+Full Power: 3,500
Outer Z’s author(s) wonders if the daizenshuu’s figure of 3,500 is supposed to be only for when Piccolo concentrates his ki and fires those Makankosappo-like ki blasts. Otherwise it seems too close to Nappa’s 4,000, with only a x1.14 gap between them.
I can see where they are coming from, afterall Gohan was listed as over 2,800 without stating that it was only when using his Masenko, so Toriyama(or whoever made that WJ chart) probably just listed battle powers that represented the highest amount of ki they could put out, instead of thinking about Full Power compared to concentrated blasts.
Trunks: 20,000,000
Super Saiyan Second Grade: 3,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Third Grade: 10,000,000,000
Perfect Cell says that SSj Third Grade Trunks’ power is greater than his, but Cell is stronger than Goku, and Goku freaked out Trunks with only 50% of his power. Therefore Super Trunks (3rd) must be at least three times as strong as regular Super Trunks. I don’t get the logic behind that at all, personally…
Okay this is going to be hard to explain but I'll try nonetheless!

1. It seems that Outer Z thought that Cell, when saying Trunks has surpassed him, meant that he surpassed his FULL POWER and not just his suppressed power.

2. The thing about Trunks freaking out about 50% of Goku means that Outer Z considers SSJG2 Trunks < 50% FPSSJ Goku as you can see from their FPSSJ Goku level:
Son Goku: 25,000,000
Super Saiyan Full Power: 6,200,000,000
3. However since Cell is stronger than Goku and Trunks is stronger than Cell, then the chart looks like this:
SSJG2 Trunks < 50% FPSSJ Goku < FPSSJ Goku < Full Power Cell < SSJG3 Trunks.

4. The thing about Super Trunks 2 having to be over 3 times stronger than Super Trunks is derived from the fact that Goku is over twice as strong as Super Trunks, while Full Power Cell is 1.5 times stronger as when he fought Goku, since Outer Z introduced this rule about going from normal to Full Power:
Ki amplification: an increase from one’s normal state to full power (x1.5~1.6)
As you can see from Cell's levels his Full Power is in fact 1.5 times his normal state:
Cell Perfect Form: 6,000,000,000
Full Power: 9,000,000,000
So Outer Z was simply referring to that it seems(at least that's the most likely thing they were going for IMO).
Son Gohan: 28,000,000
Super Saiyan Full Power: 7,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 21,000,000,000
Dormant Power Super Saiyan 2: 28,000,000,000 (60,000,000,000)
After Gohan powers up, Cell says that Goku’s boast about Gohan being able to beat him wasn’t a total bluff, implying that Gohan is weaker than Cell but still stronger than Goku. Angered by Cell’s vile attack on No.16, Gohan’s base BP increases by 1.5. At the same time, he becomes SSj2, doubling his angered SSj Full Power’s BP. So overall his BP triples. 28 million x 1.5 x Super Saiyan 2 (x500)=21,000,000,000. Even after the revived Cell’s attack reduced his ki power to less than half, he unleashed even further dormant power, increasing him to 28,000,000,000 (60,000,000,000 at full power). It’s more than enough to repel the revived Cell’s Kamehameha. I can't remember what specific explanation Outer Z gave for "Dormant Power SSj2" numbers.
It seems they are referring to Gohan losing over ½ his ki prior to the beam struggle(admittedly just speculation).

And that's all I wanted to say about them.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:26 pm

Piccolo can you look over my list for Early Db?

The various many times greater stuff is going to be impossible really. But we can make Piccolo's less than 50% quote work, I think I did a pretty good job...

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:09 pm

p123 wrote:Piccolo can you look over my list for Early Db?

The various many times greater stuff is going to be impossible really. But we can make Piccolo's less than 50% quote work, I think I did a pretty good job...

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Yeah, it's not bad. You made the "less than half-power" quote work (even though it doesn't really need to in a flawed battle power system on a numerical scale that Toriyama introduced in the Saiyan arc). Only thing I disagree with is Cymbal being so weak (he's as strong as start-of-DB Goku). You're probably thinking about Tambourine being "several times stronger" than Cymbal, but I don't think that can work either. But that's just my opinion, though.
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Post by dbgtFO » Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:34 pm

Well honestly I don't see Toriyama putting that quote in there(many times stronger...) if Tambourine wasn't in fact many times stronger, but of course Piccolo Daimao doesn't know of the Battle Power system(or any numerical system representing strength), so many times stronger in his eyes may not mean many times the Battle Power.
Same with the ½ power line.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:40 pm

dbgtFO wrote:Well honestly I don't see Toriyama putting that quote in there(many times stronger...) if Tambourine wasn't in fact many times stronger, but of course Piccolo Daimao doesn't know of the Battle Power system(or any numerical system representing strength), so many times stronger in his eyes may not mean many times the Battle Power.
Same with the ½ power line.
Well, perhaps Toriyama just didn't have those quotes in mind when he introduced the battle power concept. Or maybe those quotes wouldn't even apply to a numerical scale. It's not as if Piccolo Daimao was wearing a scouter that read Cymbal's power as 50 and Tambourine's as 200 or anything like that. It's basically just a way of saying, "You're way stronger than Cymbal".
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Post by dbgtFO » Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:06 pm

I don't think they apply to a numerical scale either, afterall Piccolo Daimao doesn't know of one and Toriyama hadn't made one yet.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:12 am

Agreed. But if we can make Piccolo's less than half power , we should. The many times greater stuff, although not perfect, could be like a 1.25x or 1.50x times greater POV, which is terribly weak, but what can we do?


Piccolo ( 50% ) >> Goku


Should still be factual regardless. You can make it, there's really no reason not to you know?

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Post by dbgtFO » Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:00 pm

Movie Power Levels!
In this power level list I'm basing the entire thing on Conan the SSJ's Movieverse. It can also be found here.

1: Return My Gohan!!
Goku: 412.
Piccolo: 404.
  • Since it takes place before Raditz' arrival, they are both weaker than their beginning of Z levels.
Gohan: 1.
-(Enraged): 1,201.
God: 340.
  • From the looks of it, 220 for God is wrong, since God is supposed to be stronger than Piccolo Daimao(260), so I completely disregard it and just use my own made up number. 8)
Garlic Jr.: 333.
-Bulked: 666 :twisted:

2: The World's Strongest Guy
Piccolo: 6,000.
Gohan: 1,000.
-Enraged: 9,000.
Goku: 9,000.
-Kaio-ken x2: 18,000.
-Kaio-ken x3: 27,000.
-Kaio-ken x4: 36,000.

Dr. Uiro: 23,000.
-Ki Blast: 33,000.
-Full Power: 40,000.

3: A Super Decisive Battle for Earth
Gohan: 10,000.
-Oozaru: 100,000.
Piccolo: 18,000.
Goku: 32,000.
-Kaio-ken x10: 320,000.

Tullece: 35,000.
-Fruit 1: 455,000.
-Fruit 2: 700,000.

4: Super Saiyan Son Goku
Gohan: 400,000.
Piccolo: 2,000,000.
Goku: 3,000,000.
-False Super Saiyan(x 25): 75,000,000.
-Kaio-ken x10(with Piccolo's added power): 50,000,000.

Lord Slugg: 5,000,000.
-Young: 10,000,000.
-Giant: 30,000,000.

5: The Incredible Strongest vs Strongest
Piccolo: 2,500,000.
Goku: 3,500,000.
Apparent Toei Hax?: 150,000,000. - not too sure, if there really was a hax to begin with, since I've seen some good counter arguments to it.
-Kaio-ken x10: 35,000,000.
-Kaio-ken x20: 70,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 175,000,000.

Coola: 3,200,000.
-Final Form: 140,000,000.

6: Clash!! 10,000,000,000 Powerful Warriors
Gohan: 1,800,000.
Piccolo: 360,000,000.
Goku: 216,000,000.
Vegeta: 225,000,000.

Metal Coola: 200,000,000.
-Repair 1: 230,000,000.
-Repair 2: 460,000,000.

7: Extreme Battle!! The Three Great Super Saiyan
Goku: 4,800,000.
-Super Saiyan: 240,000,000.
Vegeta: 5,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 250,000,000.
Trunks: 4,500,000.
-Super Saiyan: 225,000,000.
Piccolo: 400,000,000.

Android #13: 200,000,000.
Android #14: 175,000,000.
Android #15: 150,000,000.

Super Android #13: 525,000,000.

8: Burn Up!! A Close – Intense – Super-Fierce Battle
Goku: 100,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 5,000,000,000.
-Toei nerf: 3,800,000,000.
Gohan: 120,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 6,000,000,000.
--Toei Nerf: 2,000,000,000.
Vegeta: 37,500,000.
-Super Saiyan Second Grade: 3,750,000,000.
Trunks: 37,500,000.
Piccolo: 1,000,000,000.
-Fighting: 3,500,000,000.

Broli: 100,000,000.
-Restricted Super Saiyan: 4,000,000,000.
-Legendary Super Saiyan: 10,000,000,000.

9: The Galaxy at the Brink!! The Super Incredible Guy
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 24,000,000,000.

Bojack: 7,500,000,000.
-Full Power: 15,000,000,000.

10: The Dangerous Duo! Super-Warriors Can't Rest
Super Saiyan Goten: 600,000,000.
-Beam Struggle: 6,000,000,000.
Super Saiyan Trunks: 650,000,000.
Gohan: 180,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 18,000,000,000.
Videl: 666,666,666.

Broli: 200,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 10,000,000,000.
-Legendary Super Saiyan: 20,000,000,000.

11: Super-Warrior Defeat!! I'm the One Who'll Win
Bio Broli: 10,000,000,000.

12: Rebirth of Fusion!! Goku and Vegeta
Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 150,000,000,000.

Gogeta: 250,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 12,500,000,000,000.

Fat Janemba: 120,000,000,000.

Super Janemba: 180,000,000,000.
-Power up 1: 360,000,000,000.
-Full Power: 500,000,000,000.

13: Dragon Fist Explosion!! If Goku Won't Do it, Who Will?
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta: 30,000,000,000.
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks: 25,000,000,000,000,000.
Gohan: 35,000,000,000,000,000.

Hildegarn(seperate parts): 7,500,000,000,000,000.
-Combined: 15,000,000,000,000,000.
-Evolved: 75,000,000,000,000,000.

Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 200,000,000,000.
Toei HAX: 100,000,000,000,000,000.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:08 pm

Good I like that...

Broly M10 > Bojack > Broly M8


So considering Hatchyak > M8, him and Bojack should both be somewhere around Perfect Cell right?

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Post by Fox666 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:36 am

I had the idea from an conversation on MSN the other day, not sure I believe on this, but I will give a try

Namek

- Gohan: 1,340
--- power-up: 14,000
- Kuririn: 1,770
--- power-up: 13,000
- Young namekians: around 3,000
- Vegeta: 24,000
--- near-death: 29,000
- Freeza's henchmen: 1,0002,000
- Appule: 3,400
- Cui: 18,000
- Dodoria: 22,000
- Zarbon: 23,000
--- transformed: 31,000

Ginyu Tokusentai

- Son Goku: 90,000
--- Kaio-ken: 180,000
- Vegeta: 29,000
--- near-death: 70,000
- Kuririn: 13,000
- Gohan: 14,000
--- near-death: 30,000
- Guldo: 10,000
- Recoom: 40,000
- Burta: 44,000
- Jhees: 51,000
- Ginyu: 84,000
--- max power: 120,000
- Nail: 42,000
- Freeza: 530,000

Freeza (part I)

- Vegeta: 510,000
--- near-death: 2,500,000
- Kuririn: 13,000
- Gohan: 30,000
--- angered: 1,100,000
--- near-death: 300,000
--- angered: 2,100,000
- Piccolo: 5,000
--- merged with Nail: 1,500,000
- Freeza: 530,000
--- 2nd form: 1,400,000
--- 3rd form: 2,200,000
--- 4th form: 3,600,000

Freeza (Part II)

- Son Goku: 3,000,000
--- Kaio-ken x10: 30,000,000
--- Kaio-ken x20: 60,000,000
--- Super Saiyan: 150,000,000
- Kuririn: 13,000
- Gohan: 300,000
- Piccolo: 1,500,000
- Freeza (50%): 60,000,000
--- 60%: 72,000,000
--- 70%: 84,000,000
--- 100%: 120,000,000

Trunks

- Freeza (70%): 91,000,000
- Cold: 80,000,000
- Trunks (Super Saiyan): 140,000,000
- Son Goku (Super Saiyan): 150,000,000

Androids

- Son Goku: 3,400,000
--- Super Saiyan: 34,000,000
- Trunks (Super Saiyan): 140,000,000
- Vegeta (Super Saiyan): 190,000,000
- Piccolo: 110,000,000
- Yamcha: 10,000
- Gohan: 400,000
- No.19: 20,000,000
--- power-up: 40,000,000
--- max power: 100,000,000
- No.20: 40,000,000
--- power-up: 60,000,000

Cell

- Trunks (Super Saiyan): 140,000,000
- Vegeta (Super Saiyan): 190,000,000
- Piccolo: 110,000,000
--- merged with Kami: 230,000,000
- Tenshinhan: 30,000
- No.17: 230,000,000
- No.18: 210,000,000
- No.16: 400,000,000
- Cell: 200,000,000
--- power-up: 400,000,000
--- Semi-perfect form: 800,000,000

Room of Time and Space

- Trunks (Super Saiyan): 550,000,000
--- Grade II: 1,100,000,000
--- Grade III: 2,200,000,000
- Vegeta (Super Saiyan): 600,000,000
--- Grade II: 1,200,000,000
- Kuririn: 13,000
- Cell: 800,000,000
--- max power: 1,000,000,000
--- Perfect form: 2,000,000,000

Cell Games

- Son Goku (full-power Super Saiyan): 2,600,000,000
- Son Gohan (full-power Super Saiyan): 2,700,000,000
--- Super Saiyan 2: 5,400,000,000
- Trunks (Super Saiyan): 2,200,000,000
- Vegeta (Super Saiyan): 2,300,000,000
- Piccolo: 1,500,000,000
- Tenshinhan: 30,000
- Kuririn: 13,000
- Yamcha: 10,000
- Cell: 3,000,000,000
--- max power: 4,000,000,000
--- Semi-perfect form: 1,000,000,000
--- near-death: 5,400,000,000
- Cell Jr.: 2,400,000,000
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kaboom » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:59 pm

Nice, I like those a lot.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:35 pm

Fox how do you view Gohan in the Vegeta Saga? Why do you put Gohan below 1,500 ? I know why you can, but why do you feel the need to put him even further from Kuririn?

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Post by Fox666 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:03 pm

When Gohan transformed in Oozaru, Vegeta said that normally he would be able to defeat 1 or 2 of them.

So I suppose it's impossible for Gohan being stronger than Kuririn, since Vegeta can't take a guy with 17.700...

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:05 pm

Fox666 wrote:When Gohan transformed in Oozaru, Vegeta said that normally he would be able to defeat 1 or 2 of them.

So I suppose it's impossible for Gohan being stronger than Kuririn, since Vegeta can't take a guy with 17.700...
Btw, Gohan's sustained a fuckload of damage by this point, so he'd be much weaker than what he is at full power.
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Post by p123 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:17 pm

I have Gohan = Saibamen

I got a pretty good system to Early DB. Just work in reverse...


Have 23rd Budokai participants at 80% of their power in the Raditz Saga... And then work from there with Piccolo Daimaio's less than 50% stuff, and that pretty much lays it all out from there...

You should try that approach I found it very good PD...

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:49 pm

p123 wrote:I have Gohan = Saibamen

I got a pretty good system to Early DB. Just work in reverse...


Have 23rd Budokai participants at 80% of their power in the Raditz Saga... And then work from there with Piccolo Daimaio's less than 50% stuff, and that pretty much lays it all out from there...

You should try that approach I found it very good PD...
Well, I'm fine with my battle power list as it is now. To be honest, I don't think there's any need to try and work around Piccolo Daimao's "less than half-power" line, since I doubt Piccolo was talking in terms of a numerical scale he didn't even know of and Toriyama hadn't even introduced battle powers yet.

And I don't really bother with percentages. To me, it's too scientific an approach.
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Post by Godo » Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:16 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Fox666 wrote:When Gohan transformed in Oozaru, Vegeta said that normally he would be able to defeat 1 or 2 of them.

So I suppose it's impossible for Gohan being stronger than Kuririn, since Vegeta can't take a guy with 17.700...
Btw, Gohan's sustained a fuckload of damage by this point, so he'd be much weaker than what he is at full power.
Vegeta's scouter was broken and he couldn't sense ki. I think that it was mostly his pride ("such weaklings could never defeat me!").

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:30 pm

Godo wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Fox666 wrote:When Gohan transformed in Oozaru, Vegeta said that normally he would be able to defeat 1 or 2 of them.

So I suppose it's impossible for Gohan being stronger than Kuririn, since Vegeta can't take a guy with 17.700...
Btw, Gohan's sustained a fuckload of damage by this point, so he'd be much weaker than what he is at full power.
Vegeta's scouter was broken and he couldn't sense ki. I think that it was mostly his pride ("such weaklings could never defeat me!").
He still knows that Gohan's injured, meaning he'd automatically be weaker than his full power.

But whatever. I doubt it was meant to be taken so seriously, or Toriyama ever sat down and thought about how strong two Ôzaru Gohans would be. Nothing suggests that Vegeta was being proud or arrogant, nor does anything suggest that he couldn't defeat 1 or even 2 guys like Ôzaru Gohan.
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