What's everyone's problem with the English music?

[Attitudefan]

I love Faulconer's music! The only thing I don't like is:

1:) It's playing all the time! It never stops.

2:) The horrible dub ruins the overall dub DBZ experience and the music gets hate because of it.

I agree 100%

[ThunderPX]

I never watch the Z dub anymore, but that's mostly because of the script and, to a lesser extent, the acting. I listen to the Faulconer Productions score on its own fairly frequently. The only complaint I have is that some pieces I really like (such as "Vegeta Super Saiyan") are really short on the CDs.

[Attitudefan]

I never watch the Z dub anymore, but that's mostly because of the script and, to a lesser extent, the acting. I listen to the Faulconer Productions score on its own fairly frequently. The only complaint I have is that some pieces I really like (such as "Vegeta Super Saiyan") are really short on the CDs.

And that's why you could get unreleased variants of the track which has the epic piano opening

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

To another point, people (Funimation employees included) can say all they want how it was "the right decision" to not include Faulconer's BGM on the DBoxes. Fact is, most casuals and dubbies both grew up with that score, and feel that DBZ goes with it. So it's no wonder they're not selling quite well.

I think redudancy is the main reason, but the omission of the dub score is definitely a factor. The Dragon Boxes are being marketed to fans of the Japanese version, yet the dub is on them. FUNimation could've simply made the sets monolingual like countless other Anime DVDs. I don't see why they couldn't have included the dub score while they were at it. I don't think it has anything to do with disk storage, as the Season Sets have three audio tracks.

[Ringworm128]

I don't think it has anything to do with disk storage, as the Season Sets have three audio tracks.

True but didn't having three audio tracks cause the Japanese audio to sound crap?

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

True but didn't having three audio tracks cause the Japanese audio to sound crap?

No, it sounded like that on the singles, as well.

I don't think it has anything to do with disk storage, as the Season Sets have three audio tracks.

My understanding is that footage with grain requires a higher bitrate than stuff that doesn't, and since the Dragon boxes were touted as the highest quality release of Dragon Ball Z, FUNi wanted to play it safe (heck, the only reason they included a dub at all was because Gen Fukunaga doesn't allow FUNi to relaese sub-only DVDs, or so I've heard). Sure one could argue that they could've used the broadcast dub instead of the one with the Japanese score (and actually would've saved space, since it would only be in 2.0), but FUNi has long since moved away from the practice of replacement scoring and wants to at least try to be more faithful to the original.

[roidrage]

I genuinely love some of the individual Faulconer tracks (A Little Help from a Friend, SS3 Power-up Theme) as much as I do the Kikuchi Shunsuke score. The thing about the DBZ dub, though, is that it differs so vastly from the original it pretty much requires its own set of music (similar to 4Kids dubs). The DB and DBGT dubs are close enough so that they can retain the original BGM, but the Kikuchi Shunsuke score alongside the DBZ dub feels way off to me, and that's because the dub and the Faulconer music were made for each other.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Sure one could argue that they could've used the broadcast dub instead of the one with the Japanese score (and actually would've saved space, since it would only be in 2.0), but FUNi has long since moved away from the practice of replacement scoring and wants to at least try to be more faithful to the original.

That much is apparent. But FUNimation have already rescored the series. The damage has already been done, so to speak. I don't see what the problem is.



Personally, I don't really care, since I'm not buying them. I just don't entirely see the reasoning behind omitting the dub score.

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

That much is apparent. But FUNimation have already rescored the series. The damage has already been done, so to speak.

Well, they're trying to repair their damage. We may not be able to change the past, but we CAN change the future.

Sure, inserting the Japanese score alone does nothing to improve the quality of the dub (one might argue that it makes it worse, since the show was dubbed with wall-to-wall music in mind), but it's a step in the right direction.

[cRookie_Monster]

That much is apparent. But FUNimation have already rescored the series. The damage has already been done, so to speak.

Well, they're trying to repair their damage. We may not be able to change the past, but we CAN change the future.

I doubt it's that deliberate. Inaction is always easier, and cheaper. And then there's that whole lawsuit business in that other thread. With Faulconer getting all sue happy...I wouldn't want to touch that music with a ten foot pole either.

[Kendamu]

To another point, people (Funimation employees included) can say all they want how it was "the right decision" to not include Faulconer's BGM on the DBoxes. Fact is, most casuals and dubbies both grew up with that score, and feel that DBZ goes with it. So it's no wonder they're not selling quite well.

Cold Hard Fact: What you "grew up with" doesn't matter. What you're "used to" doesn't matter. I learned this when the Ocean Group was cast aside for (what were then) total amateur hacks who I wouldn't have even wanted to listen to for a meaningless fandub. Even though DBZ printed money back then, FUNimation wanted to save a few bucks and got local guys instead of using seasoned talent that went on to do some wonderful dubs.

Yeah, they were brought back for the European dub of the show, but that's not what I'm on about. My favorite dub is DBZ movies 1-3. I wanted to see that continued, but it got cut down before it got really good.

I will never get anything DBZ of that caliber (or better) from that cast ever again.

Seriously, the resources are out there. The footage exists. The audio exists. Put a little bit of time and money into your own "perfect release" if it's that important. At least you can feasibly have what you want.

[Fionordequester]

Cold Hard Fact: What you "grew up with" doesn't matter. What you're "used to" doesn't matter.

Yes it does. It influences which version of the show I want to spend money on.

[Kendamu]

Cold Hard Fact: What you "grew up with" doesn't matter. What you're "used to" doesn't matter.

Yes it does.

I can cut off supporting arguments, too. See?

Really, though, if it were as important as you think it is, the Faulconer score would've been included in the Dragon Box and the Hulu upload all for the sake of a few more bucks.

[Fionordequester]

I can cut off supporting arguments, too. See?

So? There's nothing wrong with that. I don't mind. I mean, we already know what we said to each other, so we don't need to include it in order to respond to it. I mean, I see quotes that say stuff like "extremely long explanation" rather than the original quotes, so I assumed it was ok. Is that generally rude?

Really, though, if it were as important as you think it is, the Faulconer score would've been included in the Dragon Box and the Hulu upload all for the sake of a few more bucks.

Really? Are you sure it isn't just because of all of the legal trouble they're having with Bruce Faulconer at the moment? If I were running a company and Bruce Faulconer tried to do to me what he tried to do to FUNImation, I don't think I'd want his music anywhere near my products either.

And you say that like FUNImation always makes good decisions, which, judging by the opinions I hear of about many of their policies in the old days...wouldn't exactly be a very good assumption.

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

Seriously, the resources are out there. The footage exists. The audio exists. Put a little bit of time and money into your own "perfect release" if it's that important. At least you can feasibly have what you want.

In other words, get the DBoxes and the orange bricks, get some DVD ripping and video editing software, rip the footage from the DBoxes and the broadcast dub audio from the orange bricks, and splice them together.

Right?

And then there's that whole lawsuit business in that other thread. With Faulconer getting all sue happy...I wouldn't want to touch that music with a ten foot pole either.

Are you sure it isn't just because of all of the legal trouble they're having with Bruce Faulconer at the moment? If I were running a company and Bruce Faulconer tried to do to me what he tried to do to FUNImation, I don't think I'd want his music anywhere near my products either.

When exactly did the whole legal fiasco with Faulconer Productions start? If it was back in the fall of 2009, when the audio tracks to be included on the DBoxes were officially announced, then I guess it could be a potential factor. However, I've only seen discussions about it come about within the past month or two, so if it started within that time, I think it's safe to assume that FUNimation is deliberately phasing it out for the sake of at least a more faithful dub.

[cRookie_Monster]

According to the info on the web the legal battle went from 10-24-2003 to 02-09-2006.

http://www.legalmetric.com/cases/copyri ... .html#s146

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

According to the info on the web the legal battle went from 10-24-2003 to 02-09-2006.

http://www.legalmetric.com/cases/copyri ... .html#s146

'03 to '06, huh?

Got'cha. Though, I still think FUNimation wanting to phase out the practice of replacement music is at least a factor. Just my opinion.

[Lord Exor]

The lawsuit didn't appear to have any impact on the release of the Orange Bricks in 2007, therefore FUNimation deliberately excluded the broadcast audio for the Dragon Boxes.

[Fionordequester]

Maybe they were too far into the project by that point? I'm not saying I'm correct, I'm just posting an alternative that I thought seemed more likely than it being included being a poor business decision.

[Fionordequester]

Maybe they were too far into the project by that point? I'm not saying I'm correct, I'm just posting an alternative that I thought seemed more likely than it being included being a poor business decision.