Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Piccolo Daimao]

Goku needed a space suit on his way to Namek to fix his ship. Or was that filler?

That was filler. But Freeza says that Saiyans can't survive in space like he can and tries to blow up Namek with that in mind. Kaio also says that Goku would die instantly if they tried wishing him back to life, since he'd appear where Namek used to be.

To be more specific, Freeza only mentioned that Goku couldn't survive in space like he could.

[Bussani]

To be more specific, Freeza only mentioned that Goku couldn't survive in space like he could.

Actually, he specifically says Saiyans in Japanese. He poses it like a rhetorical question, however ("I can survive in space; how about you Saiyans?"), but Kaio confirms a few pages on that only Freeza can survive in space.

[Piccolo Daimao]

To be more specific, Freeza only mentioned that Goku couldn't survive in space like he could.

Actually, he specifically says Saiyans in Japanese. He poses it like a rhetorical question, however ("I can survive in space; how about you Saiyans?"), but Kaio confirms a few pages on that only Freeza can survive in space.

Oh, my mistake. I thought that he only said that Goku couldn't, giving leeway for Bardock and other Saiyans to be able to survive in space, since I had a theory that Saiyans could train to survive in space, explaining why Goku couldn't since he wasn't born 'n bred as a Saiyan and wouldn't have been adventuring across space. But that blows my theory right out of the water.

[djkalteraphine]

Son Goku takes Boss Rabbit to the moon on his Nyoibo.

Clearly, Goku can breathe in space.

[mysticboy]

Son Goku takes Boss Rabbit to the moon on his Nyoibo.

Clearly, Goku can breathe in space.

That was a gag.

But I still believe Saiyans can survive in space. That scene in the manga where Bardock confronted Freeza, Goku being alive on King Kai's planet, and Vegeta fighting Pui Pui on planet Voon are all hard evidence.

[rereboy]

It isn't a question of wheter they can survive in space. Its how long can they survive in space.

Even in real life, humans can survive in space up to a minute or something like that.

Saiyans would probably do a lot better than ordinary humans. However, that doesn't mean they would survive for very long. And nothing in the series implies that they couldn't survive a brief exposure. That includes the Bardock scene and Goku going to the moon.

[djkalteraphine]

Son Goku takes Boss Rabbit to the moon on his Nyoibo.

Clearly, Goku can breathe in space.

That was a gag.

Gag or not, it's canon. ;3

[Bussani]

Goku being alive on King Kai's planet, and Vegeta fighting Pui Pui on planet Voon are all hard evidence.

Wait...why? Kaio's planet and Pui Pui's planet don't have air? Maybe you're working under the assumption that the high gravity would make the atmosphere heavier? That's all I can think of...

Gag or not, it's canon. ;3

It's not that simple when it's contradicted later. Are you telling me Goku only found it hard to breath at Kami's lookout, the Room of Spirit and Time, and underwater, because he thought he needed air? And that he'd survive without a planet to stand on even though Freeza and Kaio both say otherwise? Basing all that on a brief gag is silly.

[djkalteraphine]

Gag or not, it's canon. ;3

It's not that simple when it's contradicted later. Are you telling me Goku only found it hard to breath at Kami's lookout, the Room of Spirit and Time, and underwater, because he thought he needed air? And that he'd survive without a planet to stand on even though Freeza and Kaio both say otherwise? Basing all that on a brief gag is silly.

How else do the rabbits make marshmellow candy on the moon, eh? Eh?

[mysticboy]

Goku being alive on King Kai's planet, and Vegeta fighting Pui Pui on planet Voon are all hard evidence.

Wait...why? Kaio's planet and Pui Pui's planet don't have air? Maybe you're working under the assumption that the high gravity would make the atmosphere heavier? That's all I can think of...

I assumed that those planets have little to no atmosphere.

[Bussani]

I assumed that those planets have little to no atmosphere.

I'm not sure how assuming that is "hard evidence".

[mysticboy]

I assumed that those planets have little to no atmosphere.

I'm not sure how assuming that is "hard evidence".

No atmosphere means exposure to the harsh conditions of space. If Saiyans can survive on planets without atmosphere, then they can indeed survive in space. Since a planet without an atmosphere is basically a stationary asteroid and all.

[Bussani]

I assumed that those planets have little to no atmosphere.

I'm not sure how assuming that is "hard evidence".

No atmosphere means exposure to the harsh conditions of space. If Saiyans can survive on planets without atmosphere, then they can indeed survive in space. Since a planet without an atmosphere is basically a stationary asteroid and all.

Did you really think I needed that explained to me? Damn, man. I said that I don't see how you assuming they had no atmosphere counts as hard evidence. You assuming something doesn't make it a fact.

[mysticboy]

Did you really think I needed that explained to me? Damn, man. I said that I don't see how you assuming they had no atmosphere counts as hard evidence. You assuming something doesn't make it a fact.

When I said "I assumed", I was being a smart ass. Sorry.

[djkalteraphine]

mrrreowww

Someone pull these kittens apart before they ruin the upholstery! :O

[Piccolo Daimao]

Son Goku takes Boss Rabbit to the moon on his Nyoibo.

Clearly, Goku can breathe in space.

That was a gag.

But I still believe Saiyans can survive in space. That scene in the manga where Bardock confronted Freeza, Goku being alive on King Kai's planet, and Vegeta fighting Pui Pui on planet Voon are all hard evidence.

Well, Freeza said that Saiyans can't survive in space, and we have no reason to doubt his statement, considering that Saiyans work under him.

And I don't believe that Pui Pui's planet was ever stated to have no oxygen in its atmosphere. And Kaio's planet isn't in space; it's in the afterlife. As for Bardock surviving in space during his final confrontation with Freeza, that's a clear contradiction of Freeza's statement. However, I just ignore it in favour of the idea that it was for suspense and drama.

[mysticboy]

And I don't believe that Pui Pui's planet was ever stated to have no oxygen in its atmosphere. And Kaio's planet isn't in space; it's in Heaven. As for Bardock surviving in space during his final confrontation with Freeza, that's a clear contradiction of Freeza's statement. However, I just ignore it in favour of the idea that it was for suspense and drama.

Well, in the manga, we see Pui Pui's planet riddled with craters (you could argue previous battles but wait). http://i30.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/ ... 951663.jpg. Sorry for the scanlation. The sky is completely dark any the other planets are pretty close. That scene in the anime portray my point a little better.

About the Bardock thing: I always took it as Freeza getting under Goku's skin.

[Piccolo Daimao]

And I don't believe that Pui Pui's planet was ever stated to have no oxygen in its atmosphere. And Kaio's planet isn't in space; it's in the afterlife. As for Bardock surviving in space during his final confrontation with Freeza, that's a clear contradiction of Freeza's statement. However, I just ignore it in favour of the idea that it was for suspense and drama.

Well, in the manga, we see Pui Pui's planet riddled with craters (you could argue previous battles but wait). http://i30.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/ ... 951663.jpg. Sorry for the scanlation. The sky is completely dark any the other planets are pretty close. That scene in the anime portray my point a little better.

About the Bardock thing: I always took it as Freeza getting under Goku's skin.

Well, I still don't see anything that would suggest that Pui Pui's planet has no oxygen in its atmosphere, other than the fact that it's dark. In the manga, I don't see any other planets, but if there are, then that doesn't say much either.

And I don't understand what you mean about the Bardock thing. When he's thinking to himself about how Goku looks similar to Bardock, he's not trying to get under his skin. Unless you're talking about when he says that he can't survive in space. But I don't see any reason to doubt his statement.

[Piccolo Daimao]

And I don't believe that Pui Pui's planet was ever stated to have no oxygen in its atmosphere. And Kaio's planet isn't in space; it's in the afterlife. As for Bardock surviving in space during his final confrontation with Freeza, that's a clear contradiction of Freeza's statement. However, I just ignore it in favour of the idea that it was for suspense and drama.

Well, in the manga, we see Pui Pui's planet riddled with craters (you could argue previous battles but wait). http://i30.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/ ... 951663.jpg. Sorry for the scanlation. The sky is completely dark any the other planets are pretty close. That scene in the anime portray my point a little better.

About the Bardock thing: I always took it as Freeza getting under Goku's skin.

Well, I still don't see anything that would suggest that Pui Pui's planet has no oxygen in its atmosphere, other than the fact that it's dark. In the manga, I don't see any other planets, but if there are, then that doesn't say much either.

And I don't understand what you mean about the Bardock thing. When he's thinking to himself about how Goku looks similar to Bardock, he's not trying to get under his skin. Unless you're talking about when he says that he can't survive in space. But I don't see any reason to doubt his statement.

[mysticboy]

And I don't understand what you mean about the Bardock thing. When he's thinking to himself about how Goku looks similar to Bardock, he's not trying to get under his skin. Unless you're talking about when he says that he can't survive in space. But I don't see any reason to doubt his statement.

Yeah that's what I'm talking about.
Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta from space. If Bardock was the last Saiyan that opposed him, and Freeza remembers his face just before he busted Vegeta, then Freeza must remember where they both were.