Resurrecting bad guys

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Resurrecting bad guys

Post by Malek86 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:49 am

It seems that what the dragons do, when asked to resurrect a person, is to let the soul re-enter the body.

With DBZ showing us the afterlife and stuff, this brings in some problems. If the souls are still in limbo, waiting to be judged, fine. If they were good and went into Paradise, I guess it's fine too. But what if they were bad guys?

For example, let's assume this scenario: Vegeta sacrifices himself against Majin Buu, and actually succeeds in destroying him. As a result, Enma doesn't need to keep him around, and thus his souls gets cleansed and reincarnated into someone else, like Piccolo said. Now, at this point, someone gathers the Dragon Balls and wishes Vegeta alive again. How would the dragon grant that wish? I doubt he can re-create his soul from scratch, but I don't think he can pull it out from the new being either. Would the wish not be granted, then?

PS. of course if they were in Hell, that would probably work. But I'm not sure about this situation. Do bad guys get reincarnated, or do they get sent into Hell?
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Re: Resurrecting bad guys

Post by Herms » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:06 pm

Malek86 wrote:PS. of course if they were in Hell, that would probably work. But I'm not sure about this situation. Do bad guys get reincarnated, or do they get sent into Hell?
The idea seems to be that evil people are sent to Hell to have their soul purged, after which they are reincarnated. That's how Piccolo explains it to Vegeta, though he doesn't actually use the word "Hell", just "a different world" than the one Goku went to. This is pretty much the same setup as the Buddhist Hell(s).
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Re: Resurrecting bad guys

Post by rereboy » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:17 pm

They go to Hell and then they reincarnate. But we don't know exactly how long they stay in hell before they reincarnate. It could be centuries.

Uub could have been a special case since Goku wanted to fight him in his lifetime, so his (kid buu) stay in Hell could have been really short.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:33 pm

rereboy wrote:They go to Hell and then they reincarnate. But we don't know exactly how long they stay in hell before they reincarnate. It could be centuries.

Uub could have been a special case since Goku wanted to fight him in his lifetime, so his (kid buu) stay in Hell could have been really short.
There's a problem with this in the anime-verse. Old Kaioshin dies on Kaioshin Kai and stays there, so even though Buu was killed, he probably should have just reformed on the spot with a halo. Even if the Kaioshin was a special case and Buu did have to go to the check-in station, since the baddies keep their bodies in the anime, I'm almost willing to bet that Buu's soul never actually made it to hell. Enma Daio probably had Buu ready to be thrown in the washing machine the moment he died to avoid another rampage.
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Re: Resurrecting bad guys

Post by rereboy » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:42 pm

That part of the anime doesn't make any sense (bad guys keeping their body). You should just ignore it.

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Re: Resurrecting bad guys

Post by Fox666 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:47 pm

I guess it would be impossible to wish "bring the evil Majin Boo that Goku destroyed back to life" once Uub exists. Or perhaps that wish would "kill" Uub?
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rereboy wrote:They go to Hell and then they reincarnate. But we don't know exactly how long they stay in hell before they reincarnate. It could be centuries.

Uub could have been a special case since Goku wanted to fight him in his lifetime, so his (kid buu) stay in Hell could have been really short.
There's a problem with this in the anime-verse. Old Kaioshin dies on Kaioshin Kai and stays there, so even though Buu was killed, he probably should have just reformed on the spot with a halo. Even if the Kaioshin was a special case and Buu did have to go to the check-in station, since the baddies keep their bodies in the anime, I'm almost willing to bet that Buu's soul never actually made it to hell. Enma Daio probably had Buu ready to be thrown in the washing machine the moment he died to avoid another rampage.
Well, Rou Kaioshin still had his body, Boo on the other hand was vaporized. So Boo was sent to Emma's place instead.

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Re: Resurrecting bad guys

Post by kaialone » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:31 pm

I dont know exatly, but wasnt there a rule that youc can´t wish somebody back to life after one year passed?Maybe that´s the reason why. I assume that if you tried to wish somebody back to life who already was reincarnated the dragon would just say "That lies not within my power" or something like that.
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Re: Resurrecting bad guys

Post by Malek86 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:22 pm

kaialone wrote:I dont know exatly, but wasnt there a rule that youc can´t wish somebody back to life after one year passed?
I thought that was just for mass resurrections, but I can't say for sure. That rule was kind of thrown out there by Kami during the Freeza battle, and I don't even remember if there ever was any mention of it before. But it makes sense, I guess. Maybe that's the standard time after which a soul is cleansed.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:29 pm

I think God mentioned that if they were to resurrect all those who'd been killed by the Saiyans, they'd be limited to those who'd died in the past year. That makes me think that it's more about the number than a set rule.
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Re: Resurrecting bad guys

Post by Herms » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:02 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:I think God mentioned that if they were to resurrect all those who'd been killed by the Saiyans, they'd be limited to those who'd died in the past year. That makes me think that it's more about the number than a set rule.
That's the only time such a rule is mentioned. And immediately after hearing that, Kaio tells Tenshinhan and co. that their resurrection will have to be postponed a year, which wouldn't make sense if the 1-year limit applied to them.
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Re: Resurrecting bad guys

Post by Bussani » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:50 pm

I'm not sure how it's worded in Japanese, but in Viz's translation, Porunga tells them he can't summon the soul of a being who is still alive (i.e. Goku). If someone's soul had already been cleansed and reborn into a new body, I imagine it would be the same kind of deal.

That said...what if you killed the person who had the reincarnated soul of the person you wanted to resurrect? Like, could you kill Uub and then wish for Kid Buu to be restored? Could Shenlong undo the cleansing the soul underwent to make that happen?
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