Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Bussani]

Well, in the manga, we see Pui Pui's planet riddled with craters (you could argue previous battles but wait). http://i30.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/ ... 951663.jpg. Sorry for the scanlation. The sky is completely dark any the other planets are pretty close. That scene in the anime portray my point a little better.

Well, I haven't checked how it looked in the anime, but I don't see a single crater in the manga. I see funny rock formations sticking out of the ground. How would other planets being close mean there's no atmosphere? They could be planet Voon's moons, come to think of it. Also, have a look at the part of the manga where Bulma and everyone pick everyone up after their battle with Vegeta; the sky looks identical to planet Voon's in those panels.

One more thing: if there's no atmosphere, how is there sound and how are they talking to each other? That's probably expecting too much realism from a comic book, but I kind of feel like you are, too.

And I don't understand what you mean about the Bardock thing. When he's thinking to himself about how Goku looks similar to Bardock, he's not trying to get under his skin. Unless you're talking about when he says that he can't survive in space. But I don't see any reason to doubt his statement.

Yeah that's what I'm talking about.

Eh, I think that's a stretch. Why would Freeza resort to blowing up the planet if he thought Goku, the Super Saiyan, would survive along with him? And Freeza's not the only person who said it; Kaio would have to be completely wrong, too.

As for Bardock surviving in space during his final confrontation with Freeza, that's a clear contradiction of Freeza's statement. However, I just ignore it in favour of the idea that it was for suspense and drama.

I'm happy to believe he was holding his breath, personally. A real life human couldn't do that, of course, but this is a super strong alien from a planet with ten times the gravity of Earth we're talking about. I guess that counts as "surviving in a vacuum" to an extent, but it depends on how long he can hold his breath. Like rereboy said, even humans can survive in space for a couple of minutes.

[djkalteraphine]

That's probably expecting too much realism from a comic book, but I kind of feel like you are, too.

Well that's the whole discussion in a nutshell, isn't it?

[TripleRach]

That's probably expecting too much realism from a comic book, but I kind of feel like you are, too.

Well that's the whole discussion in a nutshell, isn't it?

Maybe, maybe not. But please don't make posts like this that don't add much to the actual discussion.

[dbgtFO]

I think the simplest way you can look at it, when you have those contradictions, is to say that for the sake of the gag, Goku(and the Rabbit Gang) managed to survive in space, when he put them on the moon, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he normally has that ability.
It's the same with Krillin not having a nose, when he fought Bacterian. In his fight with Jackie Chun we see him bleeding from the place, where his nose should be. So for it to make sense, he simply didn't have one, when he fought Bacterian and/or it was Toriyama's way of making fun of the fact, that Krillin's nose is so small, that you wouldn't think he had one, even though he does.

[Piccolo Daimao]

As for Bardock surviving in space during his final confrontation with Freeza, that's a clear contradiction of Freeza's statement. However, I just ignore it in favour of the idea that it was for suspense and drama.

I'm happy to believe he was holding his breath, personally. A real life human couldn't do that, of course, but this is a super strong alien from a planet with ten times the gravity of Earth we're talking about. I guess that counts as "surviving in a vacuum" to an extent, but it depends on how long he can hold his breath. Like rereboy said, even humans can survive in space for a couple of minutes.

I don't know, that seems like a bit of a stretch to me, and there's nothing that really suggests it. Not that there has to be anything to suggest it, but I'd rather say it's a plothole than handwave it away with what seems like a bit of a cop-out. I know that me saying it was for suspense and drama (and atmosphere, and yeah, joke half-intended) may sound hypocritical and a bit of a handwave too, but I can't look it in any other way (it wouldn't make as much of an impact if, for example, Bardock had confronted Freeza inside his spaceship), and it's not a gag thing like Goku taking the rabbit gang into space or Kuririn sniffing Bulma's panty diamond without a nose. Even though there's nothing to say that Bardock wasn't holding his breath in that panel in the manga, it was based on the Bardock special, which I take as manga canon (because of Bardock's inclusion in the manga and how those two panels mirror the same scene from the special), and in the Bardock Special, Bardock was talking to Freeza.

[astrallite]

Since Goku already proved he could survive in space by climbing to the moon, I was always under the impression that Goku would die without oxygen, not that he couldn't survive the conditions of space.

As far as dying immediately when revived by the Dragonballs, you could look at it as he wouldn't have the chance to take a single breath and with no oxygen in his body, die almost immediately from asphyxiation.

[KakaR0T]

Who would win between Goku and Lucy (from Elfen Lied)

[Shoryuken]

Who would win between Goku and Lucy (from Elfen Lied)

I could see Lucy winning this with her vectors, which at her meltdown-phase could easily have destroyed the continents of Earth (the size alone of these things was so great that they could be seen from outerspace). Not to mention the speed at which they travel. Goku on the other hand is quicker with his reflexes and could with a shunkanidou give himself time enough to oblitirate Lucy. In short: SSJ3 Goku would wipe the floor with Lucy, but anything less (i.e. SSJ2 etc.) would end with Goku getting mutilated.

[Hellspawn28]

Which Lucy? The one from the anime or manga since manga Lucy was strong enough to take over the world. Anime Lucy will lose to 21st Goku and Manga Lucy could be a good match for Radditz or Nappa.

[Zephyr]

What about Goku vs Eva Unit 01? Watching NG: Evangelion made me think of this. I guess it would ultimately come down to if you think Goku could pierce an At field.

[Hellspawn28]

Goku after the 23rd TB should beat any Eva. A ki blast that can blow up Moons should able to break any AT field and that Goku is lot faster then any Eva too.

[Shoryuken]

Haven't seen enough NGE to comment on said battle, anyhow here's my suggestion for at battle:
Ichigo (Full Hollowfication) and Ulquiorra (Resurrección Segunda Etapa) vs Goku (23rd Budokai) and Piccolo (23rd Budokai)?

[Hellspawn28]

Either Goku or Piccolo would take it on their own. Goku tanked Piccolo's blast which wipe out the whole island and I doubt anyone in Bleach can lived from a city buster attack or anything higher. I'm pretty sure Goku or Piccolo would be faster then any of them via powerscaling.

[ending sun]

Master Roshi in his prime vs Genkai from Yu Yu Hakusho in her prime (Spirit Orb and all)?

[SSJ4_Zankuto]

Have you guys seen the Green Lantern movie lately? This was on my mind when I watched the movie.

Son Goku vs Hal Jordon aka Green Lantern

My Thoughts
I haven't seen any comic version of the green lantern, but, I do know that he's faster than light by judging his flight speed from earth to the planet where the bunch of green lanterns' are from. Son Goku is no where near speed of light, like other people say about the Instantaneous Movement's speed of 186,000 miles per second. In strength-wise I say Green Lantern can beat Son Goku even at Super Saiya-jin, but, I don't know about Super Saiya-jin 2, Super Saiya-jin 3, and even Super Saiya-jin 4.

[Shoryuken]

Master Roshi in his prime vs Genkai from Yu Yu Hakusho in her prime (Spirit Orb and all)?

Kame-Sennin is stronger than Genkai with his fully powered kamehameha albeit it takes him ages to charge a weakness that Genkai could very well take advantage of and fire one of her own mountain destroying spirit attacks. I highly doubt that Kame-Sennin would survive such an powerful attack let alone the fact that she is many times faster than him.

If Kame-Sennin was to discard the aforementioned strategy and just fight her head on, then Genkai would win, but with great difficulty.

[dbgtFO]

How about:
Super Goof vs. The Great Saiyaman?

It's been too long since I've read my Super Goof issues, but I recall he was pretty damn strong.

[Shoryuken]

How about:
Super Goof vs. The Great Saiyaman?

It's been too long since I've read my Super Goof issues, but I recall he was pretty damn strong.

Super Goof. With his toon force and the fact that he is faster than the speed of light he should be able to beat The Great Saiyaman in no time.

[Kid Buu]

Manga Version: Goku Vs. Sailor Moon
Anime Version: Goku Vs. Sailor Moon
Equal Power Levels Version: Goku Vs. Sailor Moon

What do you think?

Even in the anime, Sailor Moon's power is pretty much infinite. It's the other Sailor soldiers who got nerfed considerably.

Ok, since that post I have watched the SM anime up to EP150. So far nothing suggests her power if pretty much infinite.

Here's what a typical episode of Sailor Moon SuperS (Season 4) is like...(and spoilers)

Villain finds person, looks into dreams
Sailor Moon shows up to help
Villain summons Monster
Monster kicks Sailor Moons ***
Tuxedo Mask comes in, saves SM.
Chibiusa summons Pegasus, who gives Sailor Moon the power to defeat the villain.
End episode.

Unless Season 5 changes my opinion, I actually think Goku would win the anime bout.

[mysticboy]

Master Roshi in his prime vs Genkai from Yu Yu Hakusho in her prime (Spirit Orb and all)?

Roshi.