Toriyama's works exist in a single canon?

[Luke Groundwalker]

I was reading this topic that for some reason came up on Google search looking for random bits about Toriyama's manga:

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9911

And while it goes into detail how the world of SandLand is related to the Dragon World, I'm a bit puzzled on why other manga is used for evidence of this. I'm also confused on a lot of the terminology used in this topic.

I've only read a few Toriyama manga out there, and I too have noticed themes all across them that feel like they could be put into a single continuity.

But with the consistency of the Dragon World in aesthetic, this is a bit hard to pinpoint how these all fit in. Even Dr. Slump is hard to believe to take place in the Dragon World, since Dr. Slump is meant to take place in an alternate version of the real world, while the entirety of Dragonball takes place on a large continent.

Some of his works takes place clearly in Japan like Go Go Ackman and Jiya for example, the later which takes place in a modern setting and would be even more confusing to fit into a single canon.

I guess what I'm trying to ask is how exactly do Toriyama's works link up? Is there a speculated timeline for this?

[Bussani]

Personally, I don't think they do. I mean, Penguin Village appears in Dragon Ball at one point, but...if anything I think that just shows how little Toriyama worries about this stuff. That said, there's nothing to stop someone from defining a new canon of their own and trying to fit everything into it, if they really want to. Dayspring himself would probably be the guy to ask about that, but I haven't seen him post in forever.

[Herms]

Dayspring's pet project is trying to fit all of Toriyama's works into one shared universe/continuity, but the works themselves aren't really meant that way.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Dayspring's pet project is trying to fit all of Toriyama's works into one shared universe/continuity, but the works themselves aren't really meant that way.

Hrm I see. I dunno though some are clearly meant to be in the same continuity though. For example both Jiya and Sachi-chan Gū!! take place in the same world, despite the different art styles.

Some of his manga also use "zeni" as a form of currency like Kintoki. There's just little elements like that I'm curious about. I wonder if anyone has truly chronicled this.

[Herms]

Hrm I see. I dunno though some are clearly meant to be in the same continuity though. For example both Jiya and Sachi-chan Gū!! take place in the same world, despite the different art styles.

True, but neither of them are really meant to be in the same continuity as DB, or Kajika.

Some of his manga also use "zeni" as a form of currency like Kintoki. There's just little elements like that I'm curious about. I wonder if anyone has truly chronicled this.

"Zeni" is old Japanese slang for money. Other manga or anime besides Toriyama's works sometimes use the term too.

[Luke Groundwalker]

True, but neither of them are really meant to be in the same continuity as DB, or Kajika.

Never said they did, just saying that I don't think Toriyama really intentionally puts it out of the question. Then again it probably depends on when and how he feels. With those two manga he released alongside another manga author, he probably had a better direction in that regard.

Though I notice with some manga like Mr. Ho for example was very Dragon World-esque, which is why I'm curious if it was ever intended to share a continuity with the series or if there are hints to it being in continuity somehow or another.

"Zeni" is old Japanese slang for money. Other manga or anime besides Toriyama's works sometimes use the term too.

This is true, I completely forgot Hunter x Hunter used this too. But I wasn't aware of "zeni" being slang. Mind expanding on that?

[kaialone]

"Zeni" is old Japanese slang for money. Other manga or anime besides Toriyama's works sometimes use the term too.

This is true, I completely forgot Hunter x Hunter used this too. But I wasn't aware of "zeni" being slang. Mind expanding on that?

You know, like the english word "bucks"

[Luke Groundwalker]

"Zeni" is old Japanese slang for money. Other manga or anime besides Toriyama's works sometimes use the term too.

This is true, I completely forgot Hunter x Hunter used this too. But I wasn't aware of "zeni" being slang. Mind expanding on that?

You know, like the english word "bucks"

That makes sense

I've always thought zeni originated in Dragonball and just used in other media.

[Kendamu]

"Zeni" is old Japanese slang for money. Other manga or anime besides Toriyama's works sometimes use the term too.

This is true, I completely forgot Hunter x Hunter used this too. But I wasn't aware of "zeni" being slang. Mind expanding on that?

You know, like the english word "bucks"

That is a really good spin on putting things in perspective! I like it!

[caejones]

If I remember correctly, didn't one of the guidebooks label some islands on DB earth as Japan and America, and someone speculated that this was to make the references to these places in Dr. Slump fit due to the crossover? (Well, and Kame Sen'nin calling Krillin the best singer in all of Japan in movie ...?

[Herms]

If I remember correctly, didn't one of the guidebooks label some islands on DB earth as Japan and America,

Nope.

[Wobbuffet]

I like to think that Pola & Roid happened before Dragon Ball, since it explains how Earth was firstly populated.
On a side note, as far as I remember, zeni is not the currency in Go! Go! Ackman. I think it was dollar or yen.

[Luke Groundwalker]

I like to think that Pola & Roid happened before Dragon Ball, since it explains how Earth was firstly populated.
On a side note, as far as I remember, zeni is not the currency in Go! Go! Ackman. I think it was dollar or yen.

Yeah I know, that's why I mentioned it specifically takes place in Japan. Jiya does too. Several other Toriyama works also are set in Japan.

But I dunno would it really be out there to suggest something like Mr. Ho taking place in the Dragonworld? Seems VERY much in tone and style.

Also thanks for all of the great responses guys, I hope Dayspring comes back to expand on what connections he's found in each of the manga.

[roidrage]

I've never read Dr. Slump (I haven't found any of the volumes in English), but Penguin Village seems to have a trippy, out-of-the-way quality that makes it seem strange even by the standards of DB's Earth (there's a laughing sun over it, for one thing). It's almost as if General Blue and Goku crossed into a parallel dimension and came out the other side, but never took notice.

[Super Sonic]

Aside from the crossover, Dr. Slump can't really be in the same universe due to being in present-day (at the time) Japan, rather than DB's alternate Earth. You got mention of actual countries like Japan, China and America.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Aside from the crossover, Dr. Slump can't really be in the same universe due to being in present-day (at the time) Japan, rather than DB's alternate Earth. You got mention of actual countries like Japan, China and America.

Well it's completely possible those countries still exist in some form or another. Afterall Dragonball has references to those countries too. Remember the American flag Murasaki hid behind, for example?

[Herms]

I've never read Dr. Slump (I haven't found any of the volumes in English), but Penguin Village seems to have a trippy, out-of-the-way quality that makes it seem strange even by the standards of DB's Earth (there's a laughing sun over it, for one thing). It's almost as if General Blue and Goku crossed into a parallel dimension and came out the other side, but never took notice.

I personally like to think that Penguin Village exists at the axis of two alternate dimensions, so it's simultaneously on DB Earth and some alternate Earth, or maybe many alternate Earths. The place is unusual for DB Earth and in Dr. Slump itself is an odd place by that world's standards, so I think it's just a sub-reality all its own.

Well it's completely possible those countries still exist in some form or another. Afterall Dragonball has references to those countries too. Remember the American flag Murasaki hid behind, for example?

I'm pretty sure that's the only such reference in the original manga though.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Well it's completely possible those countries still exist in some form or another. Afterall Dragonball has references to those countries too. Remember the American flag Murasaki hid behind, for example?

I'm pretty sure that's the only such reference in the original manga though.

Well General Blue was possibly sent to Egypt (then again Baba had pyramids too), but I don't think it being there once really rules it out. Though those countries being there in some form or another doesn't necessarily mean that they're the same as they are in the real world aside from cultural values. Maybe the entire Dragonworld is similar to Pangea, only it takes place in the distant future/alternate reality.

I'm really hard pressed to not believe there isn't cultural divisions when there clearly is. For example it's quite obvious Chichi is meant to be Asian, while Videl and Mr. Satan are Westerners.

[Herms]

I'm really hard pressed to not believe there isn't cultural divisions when there clearly is. For example it's quite obvious Chichi is meant to be Asian, while Videl and Mr. Satan are Westerners.

I think you're confusing different ideas. DB Earth is united into a single worldwide country. This becomes part of the story when Piccolo overthrows the king who rules over the entire world. This does not mean that there aren't different races or cultural variation. For instance, the United States is a single country, but has different races and cultural differences between regions.

[Savage68]

How is it obvious that Chichi is meant to be Asian?