Broly the strongest being of his time?

[broly is god]

Ok my opinion is that Broly could have beaten Goku in Broly's 1st movie. Then in the 2nd Broly movie he shoulda won. The 3rd was just bogus. Broly going 100% full power and strength LSS no doubt would have beaten Goku if Broly knew what Goku was trying to do[the part where Goku was collecting power]. And I don't know why Toriyama didn't concept the fact that Broly coulda figured it out. But Toriyama should have made Broly a lil stronger and that last battle sequence a bit longer in the Broly 1st movie. But hey that could be just me. Kakorot!!!!!!!!! Will die

[broly is god]

Oh and if Goku managed to defeat him than the second Broly movie, Broly shoulda beat up Gohan then the boys shoulda fused and Broly v Gotenks. For the win. That would be some awsome footage. Lol dream fight. Then Broly defeats all the Z warriors and then Gogeta V Broly. Or they should have Broly vs Gogeta in Bio Broly. But at the end when they're in hell. That would be even more epic!

[CatouttaHell]

No, just no.

Base Vegetto or Gogeta would destroy Broly by blowing in his general direction.

They wouldn't need fusion anyway. SSjin 3 Goku >>> LSSjin Broly.

Quit wanking Broly. You make all other Broly fans look bad.

[Kaboom]

1) Does this thread have any actual purpose other than stereotypical ranting about Broly?
2) Please work on your spelling and grammar.
3) Don't double-post. If you have more to say but nobody else has posted yet, just edit your first post.
4) Broly is no more or less special than any other typical movie villain.
5) Toriyama did not write the plots for Broly's movies or any of the others. The most he contributed to those types of things were some character designs and minor plot points.

[jjgp1112]

No, Broly is not the strongest being of his time. His LSSJ form is nothing but a glorified Super Saiyan Grade 3 and he shouldn't be any stronger than Cell. And just so you know, Toriyama didn't write the plots for the movies, he just designed the characters for most of them. If he fought Buu, or Buu saga Goku or Vegeta, he would've been curb stomped, plain & simple. Vegetto would vaporize him by blinking. And then there's the fact that he's well, y'know...a non-canon movie villain.

[hleV]

Well, in 8th and 10th DBZ movies he seemed a lot stronger than any of the heroes. But well, he needed to somehow get defeated. Not sure about Cell.

[CatouttaHell]

he shouldn't be any stronger than Cell.

How? In Movie 10 he tanked hits from an Enraged SSjin 2 Gohan, who according to the Daizenshuu never got weaker and may very well be even stronger than the Gohan who stomped Cell.

IMO:

LSSjin Broly >>> Enraged SSjin 2 Teen Gohan >> Enraged SSjin 2 Chibi Gohan >>> Post-Self Destruction Cell

[Luke Groundwalker]

No I'm pretty sure SSJ2 Gohan is more powerful than LSSJ Broly, just Gohan's ability wasn't polished by that point. I'm pretty positive Cell is more powerful than Broly at least (and wouldn't be very off to say Cell is more powerful than SSJ2 Teen Gohan, only Gohan got a shonen boost at the end saving his ass).

Broly is most likely just a Grade 3 Super Saiyan only without the drawbacks.

[jjgp1112]

he shouldn't be any stronger than Cell.

How? In Movie 10 he tanked hits from an Enraged SSjin 2 Gohan, who according to the Daizenshuu never got weaker and may very well be even stronger than the Gohan who stomped Cell.

IMO:

LSSjin Broly >>> Enraged SSjin 2 Teen Gohan >> Enraged SSjin 2 Chibi Gohan >>> Post-Self Destruction Cell

Ugh, i gotta stop being vague and incomplete. yeah, I meant Movie 8 when I said that

[CatouttaHell]

No I'm pretty sure SSJ2 Gohan is more powerful than LSSJ Broly

And that's why Broly was tanking all of his hits like they were nothing? Is Goten more powerful than Broly too?

It's true Broly is massively overrated and he can't touch guys like SSjin 3 Goku and Super Vegetto but to say he's below SSjin 2 Gohan is just ridiculous IMO.

[Luke Groundwalker]

No I'm pretty sure SSJ2 Gohan is more powerful than LSSJ Broly

And that's why Broly was tanking all of his hits like they were nothing? Is Goten more powerful than Broly too?

It's true Broly is massively overrated and he can't touch guys like SSjin 3 Goku and Super Vegetto but to say he's below SSjin 2 Gohan is just ridiculous IMO.

Did you completely miss the plot point of the series that Adult Gohan was weaker than when he fought Cell and basically hasn't been fighting this entire time?

[CatouttaHell]

Did you completely miss the plot point of the series that Adult Gohan was weaker than when he fought Cell and basically hasn't been fighting this entire time?

The only reason he's said to be "weaker" is because he couldn't gain power from rage.

The Daizenshuu specifically says he didn't get weaker but his SSjin 2 is weaker because he couldn't gain power from anger.

In Movie 10 he's clearly extremely enraged so he is at least as powerful as the Gohan who stomped Cell.

[Luke Groundwalker]

The only reason he's said to be "weaker" is because he couldn't gain power from rage.

The Daizenshuu specifically says he didn't get weaker but his SSjin 2 is weaker because he couldn't gain power from anger.

In Movie 10 he's clearly extremely enraged so he is at least as powerful as the Gohan who stomped Cell.

That still doesn't explain or provide reasoning to him being an unpolished fighter by that point, which is very much in his character at that point in the series. Gohan has basically started training for the first time in like years in his appearance in Broly - Second Coming.

I'm pretty positive SSJ2 Teen Gohan > LSSJ Broly on almost ever level possible, including the multipliers and the general skill by that point. Broly has an advantage of being a berserker I guess, but still technically isn't more powerful. Or, well, he shouldn't be more powerful, even if he were to beat SSJ2 Teen Gohan in a fight.

[FNF]

Broly could stomp any SSJ2 in movie 10. That's pretty much a given. The most powerful characters he could stand up against are Mr Buu and base Gotenks PRE RoSaT.

To say he's SSJ3 tier is absurd.

[Herms]

The Daizenshuu specifically says he didn't get weaker but his SSjin 2 is weaker because he couldn't gain power from anger.

And because he didn't train.

[CatouttaHell]

That still doesn't explain or provide reasoning to him being an unpolished fighter by that point, which is very much in his character at that point in the series. Gohan has basically started training for the first time in like years in his appearance in Broly - Second Coming.

I'm pretty positive SSJ2 Teen Gohan > LSSJ Broly on almost ever level possible, including the multipliers and the general skill by that point. Broly has an advantage of being a berserker I guess, but still technically isn't more powerful.

If Broly > SSjin 2 Gohan then why was he tanking all of his hits?

And I doubt Gohan only started training right before Broly appeared, since when he appears he says he's powered up considerably since then...

And because he didn't train.

It says for Gohan overall that his strength didn't change and only mentions his SSjin 2 getting weaker.

That means Base Teen Gohan = Base Chibi Gohan and SSjin 2 Chibi Gohan > SSjin 2 Teen Gohan.

It's most likely that the Daizenshuu meant that he was weaker because he couldn't use rage to boost his SSjin 2 up to where it was before and he didn't train himself to have that kind of power in SSjin 2 without any rage boosts IMO.

Since the Super Exciting Guide gives multipliers for all three SSjin multipliers and doesn't say anything about them varying that means that forms correlate and his SSjin 2 couldn't have just gotten weaker if his base form didn't.

At least that's how I see it.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Also saying Cell is the weakest of those four examples is kind of short-sighted. I don't think Cell has ever been implied to be anything lesser than SSJ2 Teen Gohan. Teen Gohan was essentially beaten till like the last minute.

Hachiyack also I believe is supposed to be more powerful than Broly...keep that in mind too.

If Broly > SSjin 2 Gohan then why was he tanking all of his hits?

And I doubt Gohan only started training right before Broly appeared, since when he appears he says he's powered up considerably since then...

On the second point: Absolutely wrong. Gohan WAS in training. Specifically for the upcoming Tenkaichi Budokai. That's what he's based off of in the movie. I just want to establish this before anymore arguments about his fighting ability.

On the first: Probably cause like all Saiyans, Broly got stronger after he was defeated. However in a lot of ways the same could be said about Gohan when he became SSJ2 when he was fighting Cell. Gohan got beat up badly too afterall and then became MUCH more powerful, not just in power level but in pure skill.

[FNF]

Also saying Cell is the weakest of those four examples is kind of short-sighted. I don't think Cell has ever been implied to be anything lesser than SSJ2 Teen Gohan. Teen Gohan was essentially beaten till like the last minute.

Hachiyack also I believe is supposed to be more powerful than Broly...keep that in mind too.

If Broly > SSjin 2 Gohan then why was he tanking all of his hits?

And I doubt Gohan only started training right before Broly appeared, since when he appears he says he's powered up considerably since then...

On the second point: Absolutely wrong. Gohan WAS in training. Specifically for the upcoming Tenkaichi Budokai. That's what he's based off of in the movie. I just want to establish this before anymore arguments about his fighting ability.

On the first: Probably cause like all Saiyans, Broly got stronger after he was defeated. However in a lot of ways the same could be said about Gohan when he became SSJ2 when he was fighting Cell. Gohan got beat up badly too afterall and then became MUCH more powerful, not just in power level but in pure skill.

That is movie 8 Broly who is weaker than Hachiyack. Not movie 10 Broly.

Movie 10 Broly in his SSJ form alone is suggested to be stronger than MSSJ Goku (Buu arc).
In the movie 10 section of the Daiz it says;

'Broli possessed high battle ability from the time he was born. His personality is wild, and he is feared as the Legendary Super Saiyan. The Saiyan characteristic is that their battle ability rises each time they are revived from brink of death. Because of this, Broli has more power than he did seven years ago.

Super Saiyan
He transforms into a Super Saiyan, just like Goku and the others. Because he possessed high battle ability from birth, he is the owner of power that surpasses Goku's.

Legendary Super Saiyan
Transforming even further from Super Saiyan, he's a formidable foe who attacks indiscriminately with bottomless power!!'.

[CatouttaHell]

On the second point: Absolutely wrong. Gohan WAS in training. Specifically for the upcoming Tenkaichi Budokai. That's what he's based off of in the movie. I just want to establish this before anymore arguments about his fighting ability.

On the first: Probably cause like all Saiyans, Broly got stronger after he was defeated. However in a lot of ways the same could be said about Gohan when he became SSJ2 when he was fighting Cell. Gohan got beat up badly too afterall and then became MUCH more powerful, not just in power level but in pure skill.

So Gohan couldn't have been training for the past few years because he was training then? That makes no sense.

Him training for the Tenkaichi Budoukai is nothing more than an assumption. He even flat-out says he powered up considerably since then in the movie which heavily implies he's been training.

And I don't understand what you're saying in the second paragraph at all. You're right about Broly getting a Zenkai (the Daizenshuu confirms this) but that doesn't explain how he can be weaker than Gohan and still completely tank his hits.

Broly ran face-first into Gohan's punch without even reacting to it. Stuff like that doesn't happen if the fighter tanking the hit is the weaker one.

How exactly did Gohan become more skilled from going SSjin 2?

[Luke Groundwalker]

So Gohan couldn't have been training for the past few years because he was training then? That makes no sense.

No he WASN'T training in those few years between the end of Cell arc and the beginning of Boo arc. He didn't start training till pre Tenkaichi Budokai which was just a couple of days. Broly - Second Coming is meant to take place in that era I believe since it has all of the characters with the clothing from those episodes and whatnot. There is absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise as Goku is dead, and Gohan misses him dearly and all that just like in those few episodes. It's an assumption, but the most likely and obvious one.

And I don't understand what you're saying in the second paragraph at all. You're right about Broly getting a Zenkai (the Daizenshuu confirms this) but that doesn't explain how he can be weaker than Gohan and still completely tank his hits.

Broly ran face-first into Gohan's punch without even reacting to it. Stuff like that doesn't happen if the fighter tanking the hit is the weaker one.

How exactly did Gohan become more skilled from going SSjin 2?

I'm not talking about Boo arc Gohan, I'm talking about Cell arc Gohan. The assumption that Broly can beat SSJ2 Teen Gohan is absolutely absurd, especially when he was fighting Cell.

That is movie 8 Broly who is weaker than Hachiyack. Not movie 10 Broly.

I wasn't talking about movie 10 Broly. Clearly he's more powerful, no doubt, but how powerful is completely up for debate I'd say. Broly never went SSJ2 so he probably doesn't have much of a chance against SSJ2 Gohan in his prime. And then there's Cell who is arguably more powerful than SSJ2 Gohan in his prime.

Movie 10 Broly in his SSJ form alone is suggested to be stronger than MSSJ Goku (Buu arc).

I'm pretty positive Goku never went into that state in Boo arc. Secondly I think the context of this:

In the movie 10 section of the Daiz it says;

'Broli possessed high battle ability from the time he was born. His personality is wild, and he is feared as the Legendary Super Saiyan. The Saiyan characteristic is that their battle ability rises each time they are revived from brink of death. Because of this, Broli has more power than he did seven years ago.

Super Saiyan
He transforms into a Super Saiyan, just like Goku and the others. Because he possessed high battle ability from birth, he is the owner of power that surpasses Goku's.

Just means he's more powerful than how Gohan knew Goku was at that point. Just reading that translation alone seems to imply that Broly is more powerful than Goku during the Boo arc, which makes no sense considering Goku has full control over becoming SSJ2 and he's able to go SSJ3. Goku would absolutely destroy Broly at that point of time if he was alive, not even a close match.

So in this context, I think it's referring to Goku at the Cell Games, which doesn't say much at all about Broly's power level in movie 10.

Let me break down my argument since both of you guys seem confused...

In terms of power level:
Super Perfect Cell > SSJ2 Teen Gohan > SSJ2 Adult Gohan > LSSJ Broly (movie 10) > SSJ Broly (movie 10) > Hachiyack > LSSJ Broly (movie 8 ) > SSJ Broly (movie 8 )

In terms of fighting polish (leaving Hachiyack out of this):
Super Perfect Cell > SSJ2 Teen Gohan > LSSJ Broly (movie 10) > SSJ Broly (movie 10) > LSSJ Broly (movie 8 ) > SSJ Broly (movie 8 ) > SSJ2 Adult Gohan

In terms of shonen spirit:
SSJ2 Teen Gohan >>>>Anyone else>>>> SSJ2 Adult Gohan