Strength Comparisons Between Buu Forms

[FNF]

1/2. http://www.kanzentai.com/intended_end.php?id=07 Pretty much sums it up. I see the fact that Gohan's popularity slipped dramatically in the Buu saga as the main reason why he was unsuitable for the role. In contrast however Goku was the most popular character despite not doing much at that stage in the Buu saga.

3. Just no. Really no. There are so many awful filler and contradictions caused as a result. The Buu line was just another indication of Toei's incompetence.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

1/2. http://www.kanzentai.com/intended_end.php?id=07 Pretty much sums it up. I see the fact that Gohan's popularity slipped dramatically in the Buu saga as the main reason why he was unsuitable for the role. In contrast however Goku was the most popular character despite not doing much at that stage in the Buu saga.

3. Just no. Really no. There are so many awful filler and contradictions caused as a result. The Buu line was just another indication of Toei's incompetence.

But now I can see that you are mixing up what Toriyama has stated and adding in your own speculation that has no evidence to it. He says that he "ultimately" felt that he was unsuited for the part. Not ultimately what the fans felt that they do not want gohan ending it at cell so he was unsuited for the part.

Not really. Many scenes in the anime can be explained if people would stop and think about the situation. Especially if you watch the japanese version which is the purest form of the Anime series.

[FNF]

1/2. http://www.kanzentai.com/intended_end.php?id=07 Pretty much sums it up. I see the fact that Gohan's popularity slipped dramatically in the Buu saga as the main reason why he was unsuitable for the role. In contrast however Goku was the most popular character despite not doing much at that stage in the Buu saga.

3. Just no. Really no. There are so many awful filler and contradictions caused as a result. The Buu line was just another indication of Toei's incompetence.

But now I can see that you are mixing up what Toriyama has stated and adding in your own speculation that has no evidence to it. He says that he "ultimately" felt that he was unsuited for the part. Not ultimately what the fans felt that they do not want gohan ending it at cell so he was unsuited for the part.

Not really. Many scenes in the anime can be explained if people would stop and think about the situation. Especially if you watch the japanese version which is the purest form of the Anime series.

But the fans most likely had a direct effect on AT's decision.

The Japanese anime has the same contradictions!

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Fan pressure is a fanmade rumor.

No, the Japanese version is a thousand times more consistent than the inaccurate English dub.

[Fox666]

The English dub is a different canon

[Kaboom]

The same underlying problems with the whole Pure Boo fight are still there in the original Japanese version of the anime, which, I might add, like the majority of the Boo arc was quite well-dubbed compared to most other things. There's no real discrepancy in this matter regardless of which language version you're watching.

[FNF]

The same underlying problems with the whole Pure Boo fight are still there in the original Japanese version of the anime, which, I might add, like the majority of the Boo arc was quite well-dubbed compared to most other things. There's no real discrepancy in this matter regardless of which language version you're watching.

This .
Even earlier on you still have filler about how Planet Vegeta was destroyed which made no sense etc etc.
Toei did more wrong that right.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

The same underlying problems with the whole Pure Boo fight are still there in the original Japanese version of the anime, which, I might add, like the majority of the Boo arc was quite well-dubbed compared to most other things. There's no real discrepancy in this matter regardless of which language version you're watching.

This .
Even earlier on you still have filler about how Planet Vegeta was destroyed which made no sense etc etc.
Toei did more wrong that right.

There's nothing wrong with that scene in the anime. That was simply a myth because Kaio did not want Son to know the truth about Freeza because he is so damn scared of him. He was simply continuing the myth on a meteor destroying the planet. Then later on Son Goku finds out the truth to how it was destroyed.

[FNF]

The same underlying problems with the whole Pure Boo fight are still there in the original Japanese version of the anime, which, I might add, like the majority of the Boo arc was quite well-dubbed compared to most other things. There's no real discrepancy in this matter regardless of which language version you're watching.

This .
Even earlier on you still have filler about how Planet Vegeta was destroyed which made no sense etc etc.
Toei did more wrong that right.

There's nothing wrong with that scene in the anime. That was simply a myth because Kaio did not want Son to know the truth about Freeza because he is so damn scared of him. He was simply continuing the myth on a meteor destroying the planet. Then later on Son Goku finds out the truth to how it was destroyed.

But Kaio-Sama was supposed to be all knowing!
Let go of Toei please. They fucked up and everyone knows it.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Toei didn't fuck up that's only your opinion. Of course Kaio is supposed to be all knowing. But realize that this is the guy who pisses his pants over Freeza. He simply made up a story about Freeza's rumor of a meteor destroying a planet. Son later finds out the truth to how it was destroyed.

[jjgp1112]

It was a fuck up. Just because it made sense in the context of the story much later doesn't mean Toei didn't just randomly pull a backstory out of their ass. You can't just retroactively make it look like Toei wasn't screwing up. Toei has contradicted the manga on other occasions too. Gohan going Ape just by looking at the moon even though it's explained that it's the light that makes you transform and not the moon, for example (and before you say it might've been projecting light as well, emphasis was placed on the lack of light - it's why Piccolo was caught off guard). And then Piccolo blowing up Goku's old ship even though Dr. Briefs said he found out it later. Or the Garlic Jr. saga in general.

[FNF]

It was a fuck up. Just because it made sense in the context of the story much later doesn't mean Toei didn't just randomly pull a backstory out of their ass. You can't just retroactively make it look like Toei wasn't screwing up. Toei has contradicted the manga on other occasions too. Gohan going Ape just by looking at the moon even though it's explained that it's the light that makes you transform and not the moon, for example (and before you say it might've been projecting light as well, emphasis was placed on the lack of light - it's why Piccolo was caught off guard). And then Piccolo blowing up Goku's old ship even though Dr. Briefs said he found out it later. Or the Garlic Jr. saga in general.

This.

Also take note that in the Garlic Jr saga Piccolo explained that Garlic Jr sacrificed speed for power by bulking himself up however later on in the RoSaT Gohan is blissfully unaware of this disadvantage. Another fuck up.

[CatouttaHell]

Also take note that in the Garlic Jr saga Piccolo explained that Garlic Jr sacrificed speed for power by bulking himself up however later on in the RoSaT Gohan is blissfully unaware of this disadvantage. Another fuck up.

Nowhere near as bad as the manga fuck up where Cell explains to Trunks that bulking up sacrifices speed for power, then does the EXACT same mistake a week later.

[FNF]

Also take note that in the Garlic Jr saga Piccolo explained that Garlic Jr sacrificed speed for power by bulking himself up however later on in the RoSaT Gohan is blissfully unaware of this disadvantage. Another fuck up.

Nowhere near as bad as the manga fuck up where Cell explains to Trunks that bulking up sacrifices speed for power, then does the EXACT same mistake a week later.

That wasn't really a manga fuck up. Cell just got reeaaaal angry and went apeshit insane to the point where he would do anything.
Trunks even acknowledged that Cell did the same thing that he did.

[Kaboom]

That's not really a screw-up, given that Trunks actually made the connection, noting that Cell had become delusional and desperate. That's more of what we call a "plot point."

[OWmyDragonBallz]

It was a fuck up. Just because it made sense in the context of the story much later doesn't mean Toei didn't just randomly pull a backstory out of their ass. You can't just retroactively make it look like Toei wasn't screwing up. Toei has contradicted the manga on other occasions too. Gohan going Ape just by looking at the moon even though it's explained that it's the light that makes you transform and not the moon, for example (and before you say it might've been projecting light as well, emphasis was placed on the lack of light - it's why Piccolo was caught off guard). And then Piccolo blowing up Goku's old ship even though Dr. Briefs said he found out it later. Or the Garlic Jr. saga in general.

The Japanese version doesn't fuck up the part with Dr. brief. They say that he found it in pieces but manages to fix it.

[TobyS]

The Japanese version doesn't fuck up the part with Dr. brief. They say that he found it in pieces but manages to fix it.

Except they say they couldn't use Raditz's ship, even though Gohan only smashed it into chunks, whereas they can use the older rustier one that Piccolo blew to smithereens.

(Also the ship wasn't anywhere near Mt. Pazou.)
And yeah Gohan coulda been out for the day, but we have filler contradicting later Toriyama approved/preffered filler, where Gohan finds baby Kakarot on Mt Pazou, and the ship is seen very nearby.

[jjgp1112]

And there's no way Gohan was out in Mount Paoz...considering that another filler episode showed him running away and leaving it to go train with Piccolo, and I highly doubt he'd be stupid enough to disobey Piccolo and go back. Toei fucked up, plain and simple. With most filler, they're usually immediately disregarded afterwards, such as Vegeta laughing about Goku not being able to be wished back to life, beating the shit out of Gohan, and then flying away, only for the next episode to show him standing under a tree upon hearing Goku can't be wished back and recommending that they summon his spirit to Earth like nothing happened.

[lash]

So goku "thought" that he had the power to defeat Chibi Boo. Apparently in the anime Chibi Boo was holding back his true potential untill the Genki Dama and goku had no clue that he was. Plus theres no need to ignore fillers as long as it doesn't create flaws. Most fillers to me can be easily explained. But maybe you are right about Chibi Boo not being the strongest in the anime and just ignore that statement. But in the end , it's all up to the fan to decide.

Goku never retracted his statement, nor is there a single shred of evidence supporting Pure Boo holding back his power until the Genki Dama, even in the anime.

No, the Japanese version is a thousand times more consistent than the inaccurate English dub.

Perhaps. But it's still inconsistent to the point you have no choice but to ignore quite a number of things. All of which are filler.