Screenshots of Dragon Ball Manga on VIZ Manga App (iPhone)

[AgitoZ]

Lolwat, the Japanese language doesn't even have any swear words.

Actually there are, they just aren't taboo.

Nope, I was only frustrated with the translation not the censorship of the manga since mine is completely uncensored surprisingly. Well what have you compared it to, I compared it to a more accurate (though apparently illegal) translation that I found much more charming and funny when they have the occasional language and just less toned down jokes. Sometimes the Viz translations just seem like its embarrassed about the joke and that comes through in the characters, its just awkward.

How would you know? Do you know Japanese and own them in Japanese. I'm quite sure Viz overall is probably better, or at least better quality control. Also how hard is it to get that scans of the officially released comics are illegal?

And stop with the "clearly they make it more kiddy than the original version, its for kids", If they are going to keep it uncensored then why not keep the text true as well. On the back of the book its rated teen, ok teens are kids but they don't say phooey instead of damn, I'm not reading blues clues.

And to boot you still haven't processed the the whole "ratings say nothing about the demographic"? If it helps for Japanese kids in 84 this was appropriate, and you know what at the end of the day it still is.

Not to mention the manga is still very inconsistent with censoring. Current printings are more censored, art wise, and even older volumes aren't fully uncensored, i.e. the breasts Oolong imagines are missing nipples, Popo's lips, etc.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Actually there are, they just aren't taboo.

Kuso is not a curse word, dude.

A curse word is defined by being taboo, so if a word isn't taboo it simply isn't considered a curse word.

Other languages have taboo words, Japanese isn't one of them from what I understand.

Actually I do think the word for penis and vagina is censored on Japanese television.

[AgitoZ]

Kuso is not a curse word, dude.

I don't ever recall even mentioning it. Either way, I don't mean that word alone.

A curse word is defined by being taboo, so if a word isn't taboo it simply isn't considered a curse word.

curse word - profane or obscene expression usually of surprise or anger

Try again.

[Luke Groundwalker]

curse word - profane or obscene expression usually of surprise or anger

Try again.

Maybe you should look up what "profane" means

[AgitoZ]

Maybe you should look up what "profane" means

pro·fane (pr-fn, pr-)
adj.
1. Marked by contempt or irreverence for what is sacred.
2. Nonreligious in subject matter, form, or use; secular: sacred and profane music.
3. Not admitted into a body of secret knowledge or ritual; uninitiated.
4. Vulgar; coarse.

Anything else?

[Nex Carnifex]

Lolwat, the Japanese language doesn't even have any swear words.

Actually there are, they just aren't taboo.

Nope, I was only frustrated with the translation not the censorship of the manga since mine is completely uncensored surprisingly. Well what have you compared it to, I compared it to a more accurate (though apparently illegal) translation that I found much more charming and funny when they have the occasional language and just less toned down jokes. Sometimes the Viz translations just seem like its embarrassed about the joke and that comes through in the characters, its just awkward.

How would you know? Do you know Japanese and own them in Japanese. I'm quite sure Viz overall is probably better, or at least better quality control. Also how hard is it to get that scans of the officially released comics are illegal?

And stop with the "clearly they make it more kiddy than the original version, its for kids", If they are going to keep it uncensored then why not keep the text true as well. On the back of the book its rated teen, ok teens are kids but they don't say phooey instead of damn, I'm not reading blues clues.

And to boot you still haven't processed the the whole "ratings say nothing about the demographic"? If it helps for Japanese kids in 84 this was appropriate, and you know what at the end of the day it still is.

Not to mention the manga is still very inconsistent with censoring. Current printings are more censored, art wise, and even older volumes aren't fully uncensored, i.e. the breasts Oolong imagines are missing nipples, Popo's lips, etc.

I saw black people in it and they maintained their black face, haven't seen popo yet. I used Herm's comparison thread as a guide to compare the 2 versions, http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9759. Ratings do say something about the demographic, R movies aren't for kids. And someone posted a link showing the normal shonen demographic, and a very small percentage of it was below 12.

I got the Viz manga, I just want to read it instead of reading it illegally online, since they cost money. Just don't like the translations.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Maybe you should look up what "profane" means

pro·fane (pr-fn, pr-)
adj.
1. Marked by contempt or irreverence for what is sacred.
2. Nonreligious in subject matter, form, or use; secular: sacred and profane music.
3. Not admitted into a body of secret knowledge or ritual; uninitiated.
4. Vulgar; coarse.

Anything else?

And this is still going above your head?

"Kuso" is not a profane word by absolutely no means necessary, nor is it offensive to use. Yes it's an angry word...but if anything that is an angry word is a curse word, than the idea of a curse word loses all meaning and possibly context.

Kuso is the equivalent of saying "crap" in Japanese at best.

Curse words are defined by the fact that they're considered taboo, even though they're more common in that respect, it has to do with a long history behind every word in some form or another.

Japanese has no such words.

[AgitoZ]

And someone posted a link showing the normal shonen demographic, and a very small percentage of it was below 12.

That wasn't the demographic, it was readership. It was always intended for kids, just because other age groups like it, doesn't mean it's intended for them.

And that wasn't even for the shonen demographic itself, that was for the 3 big shonen magazines.

And this is still going above your head?

"Kuso" is not a profane word by absolutely no means necessary, nor is it offensive to use. Yes it's an angry word...but if anything that is an angry word is a curse word, than the idea of a curse word loses all meaning and possibly context.

Kuso is the equivalent of saying "crap" in Japanese at best.

Curse words are defined by the fact that they're considered taboo, even though they're more common in that respect, it has to do with a long history behind every word in some form or another.

Japanese has no such words.

I should be asking you the same question. You keep giving me these definitions that I've never seen and that a quick google search won't bring up.

And I'll refer to what I said before:

I don't ever recall even mentioning it. Either way, I don't mean that word alone.

And:

curse word - profane or obscene expression usually of surprise or anger

It's actually defined like that. It's not just that they are used when angry. To us many are profane but to them they see no harm in it. Just cause they don't treat it as such doesn't mean it isn't.

[Luke Groundwalker]

I should be asking you the same question. You keep giving me these definitions that I've never seen and that a quick google search won't bring up.

I'm not giving you specific definitions, I'm giving you what is and what isn't. A curse word is defined by being profane, taboo, offensive, blasphemous, you name it. Anyone with basic common sense could recite this with ease.

Yes the Japanese has offensive words in the sense that you can say something offensive to someone.

But if that's considered cursing, than anything is cursing.

Telling someone, "You fail on absolutely ever level and you're a shame to your family" is not cursing someone, for example. That's just an offense.

Saying "crap" isn't cursing either.

In English curse words are "Fuck, shit, damn, hell, motherfucker, piss, etc."

There are no such words in the Japanese language. Sure you can translate some of their words as these to emphasize their anger...for example kuso has been pretty much been translated into everyone of these words in anime, just to make the anime seem more adult than it actually is. It doesn't, however, make it a curse word.

"Kuso" is certainly not taboo or offensive in the same sense curse words are. There are people out there who will get offended if you simply say "damn." The Japanese don't do this, because they don't consider any of their words to be curse words on a social or cultural level. I doubt they even consider English curse words to be curse words either.

[Ashura]

Hopefully, we'll get a higher quality version before too long.

Initially I thought these were scans because of how blurry they are, but it seems to be that they're only blurry because they're blown up from being so small on the ipod. It looks like they were rendered from their print pdfs.

They should've rendered bigger and then scaled down so the text was smoother at least.

[Nex Carnifex]

And someone posted a link showing the normal shonen demographic, and a very small percentage of it was below 12.

That wasn't the demographic, it was readership. It was always intended for kids, just because other age groups like it, doesn't mean it's intended for them.

And that wasn't even for the shonen demographic itself, that was for the 3 big shonen magazines.

And this is still going above your head?

"Kuso" is not a profane word by absolutely no means necessary, nor is it offensive to use. Yes it's an angry word...but if anything that is an angry word is a curse word, than the idea of a curse word loses all meaning and possibly context.

Kuso is the equivalent of saying "crap" in Japanese at best.

Curse words are defined by the fact that they're considered taboo, even though they're more common in that respect, it has to do with a long history behind every word in some form or another.

Japanese has no such words.

I should be asking you the same question. You keep giving me these definitions that I've never seen and that a quick google search won't bring up.

And I'll refer to what I said before:

I don't ever recall even mentioning it. Either way, I don't mean that word alone.

And:

curse word - profane or obscene expression usually of surprise or anger

It's actually defined like that. It's not just that they are used when angry. To us many are profane but to them they see no harm in it. Just cause they don't treat it as such doesn't mean it isn't.

Well all the sources point to it not being for young kids. I don't get where you are getting otherwise from. Wikipedia states shonen manga is pretty much for boys roughly 10 and up, through high school. Where are you getting your facts from? The rating is for teens, the readership is mostly teens, the content is certainly exceptionally dark and violent at parts as well as the humor being perverted mostly likely in the taste of a high school child undergoing puberty, websites cite it as being for early to late teens, the pure, unedited Japanese version contains things like shooting old people and jokes no 7 year old would understand nor appreciate. But some adult men who read it on a forum say its solely intended for young children, ok, that totally negates everything else.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

...jokes no 7 year old would understand nor appreciate.

Well, I see kid shows I used to watch as a kid now, and I notice are a bunch of jokes I didn't get or appreciate as a kid. Shows like Tiny Toons or Animaniacs are good examples of this.

[Nex Carnifex]

...jokes no 7 year old would understand nor appreciate.

Well, I see kid shows I used to watch as a kid now, and I notice are a bunch of jokes I didn't get or appreciate as a kid. Shows like Tiny Toons or Animaniacs are good examples of this.

Well really most of the jokes in Dragon Ball are directed towards someone who understands girls and the awkwardness of high school and those certainly don't include kids below 10

[Super Sayian Prime]

...jokes no 7 year old would understand nor appreciate.

Well, I see kid shows I used to watch as a kid now, and I notice are a bunch of jokes I didn't get or appreciate as a kid. Shows like Tiny Toons or Animaniacs are good examples of this.

Well really most of the jokes in Dragon Ball are directed towards someone who understands girls and the awkwardness of high school and those certainly don't include kids below 10

Has your experience with the franchise just been DragonBall Evolution?

[Nex Carnifex]

Well, I see kid shows I used to watch as a kid now, and I notice are a bunch of jokes I didn't get or appreciate as a kid. Shows like Tiny Toons or Animaniacs are good examples of this.

Well really most of the jokes in Dragon Ball are directed towards someone who understands girls and the awkwardness of high school and those certainly don't include kids below 10

Has your experience with the franchise just been DragonBall Evolution?

No, clearly though it's one of the humor related themes, being obsessed with the female body (Oolong/Master Roshi), awkwardness (Yamcha), confusion (Goku).

[Luke Groundwalker]

...jokes no 7 year old would understand nor appreciate.

Well, I see kid shows I used to watch as a kid now, and I notice are a bunch of jokes I didn't get or appreciate as a kid. Shows like Tiny Toons or Animaniacs are good examples of this.

Well really most of the jokes in Dragon Ball are directed towards someone who understands girls and the awkwardness of high school and those certainly don't include kids below 10

No absolutely not. Nothing in Dragonball's humor is "awkward" it's just perverted.

[Nex Carnifex]

Well, I see kid shows I used to watch as a kid now, and I notice are a bunch of jokes I didn't get or appreciate as a kid. Shows like Tiny Toons or Animaniacs are good examples of this.

Well really most of the jokes in Dragon Ball are directed towards someone who understands girls and the awkwardness of high school and those certainly don't include kids below 10

No absolutely not. Nothing in Dragonball's humor is "awkward" it's just perverted.

Well, think about this are kids 6-9 really that perverted? How would they ever relate to Dragon Ball except maybe through little kid Goku, who's innocence is only used to drive forward the perverted humor.

[Fox666]

That kind of jokes aren't different from Shin Chan for example.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Well, think about this are kids 6-9 really that perverted? How would they ever relate to Dragon Ball except maybe through little kid Goku, who's innocence is only used to drive forward the perverted humor.

No, the joke is the perversion, not that the kids are perverted themselves..

[Nex Carnifex]

Did mah research, dragon ball falls in the same category as full metal alchemist. Teenagers! Both can be disturbing. If it were any younger it would be considered childrens, not shonen