Episode of Bardock: Giant On-Going Manga + Anime Discussion

[Mountain]

Toriyama mentioned at some point that Freeza's grandfather was the first mutant in the family.

So perhaps Chilled is Cold's father? Of course if that was the case they would have quite a lifespan.

Wait what? Was is this talk about mutants?

And yeah I assumed Chilled is probably meant to be Cold's father and that they do indeed have an enormous lifespan. Also I'm thinking that maybe they're not a race but just a family, kinda like the space tanookis late in GT.

He was probably referring to the Q&A that I posted earlier (click here). This is what was actually said:

(7) What is Freeza really, I mean, what type of species? How did he get so powerful? Why does he have an army when he can blow up the universe with the blink of an eye?
- Joshua Dare, New York
T: There aren't many of them, but perhaps they are a new hybrid species that came into existence from an accidental spontaneous mutation in our grandfathers' time. As for Freeza's men, he doesn't consider them an "army" so much as convenient followers.

[smiley]

So is it true that the script was written by Toriyama? Since it says "directed by Toriyama" and all at the beginning.

[Herms]

So is it true that the script was written by Toriyama? Since it says "directed by Toriyama" and all at the beginning.

Christ, is that really how they're translating 監修? Because that just means an editor or supervisor. Or an editorial supervisor...or a supervising editor. But not that the manga was "directed by Toriyama", because that...really makes no sense. This isn't a movie, for pete's sake. Anyway, 監修 doesn't imply anything other than that Toriyama oversaw things in a general way. There's no evidence he did anything remotely as involved as writing the script.

[kaialone]

So is it true that the script was written by Toriyama? Since it says "directed by Toriyama" and all at the beginning.

I´m not sure. I do know that Toriyama at least designed Chilled

[MajinVegetaSSj6]

So, this is "canon" or "official"? Side-story or what-if?

[MajinVegetaSSj6]

So, that's official? It's a what-if or a sequel of Bardack's movie?

[NeoKING]

So, that's official? It's a what-if or a sequel of Bardack's movie?

Do you want it to be?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

So, that's official? It's a what-if or a sequel of Bardack's movie?

As stated before, the magazine itself claims the special to be a "sequel to the Bardock television special". Everything else is left up to the individual fans to decide on their own, just like with the rest of the series since Dragon Ball has no defined canon, only continuity.

[Herms]

Say, did my post on Toriyama's role in this special get eaten? It used to be at the top of the page.

[JulieYBM]

So is it true that the script was written by Toriyama? Since it says "directed by Toriyama" and all at the beginning.

Christ, is that really how they're translating 監修? Because that just means an editor or supervisor. Or an editorial supervisor...or a supervising editor. But not that the manga was "directed by Toriyama", because that...really makes no sense. This isn't a movie, for pete's sake. Anyway, 監修 doesn't imply anything other than that Toriyama oversaw things in a general way. There's no evidence he did anything remotely as involved as writing the script.

Ah, there we go Jake!

[DNA]

Say, did my post on Toriyama's role in this special get eaten? It used to be at the top of the page.

Well that was odd.

[Rukura]

Say, did my post on Toriyama's role in this special get eaten? It used to be at the top of the page.

Well that was odd.

Yeah, i actually read it a few hours ago on my cellphone, that's really weird. I don't think it was even the first post on the page either


Regarding the actual special, though, if Naho does what i think she's gonna do, this might become part of my personal "fanon".

We know Bardock is going to go Super Saiyan and defeat Chilled (it's the elephant in the room), and we know Bardock is in the past.
I'm calling it right here and now: Bardock is gonna become the Legendary Golden Warrior in which the Super Saiyan legend is based on.

...nobody had already called it, right? lol

[DNA]

We know Bardock is going to go Super Saiyan and defeat Chilled (it's the elephant in the room), and we know Bardock is in the past.
I'm calling it right here and now: Bardock is gonna become the Legendary Golden Warrior in which the Super Saiyan legend is based on.

...nobody had already called it, right? lol

That conclusion has been reaches many times.
What I'm afraid of is... that might be just it, nothing else, Bardock goes Super Saiyan, defeats Chilled, the end. And nothing is ever explained.

[Rukura]

That conclusion has been reaches many times.
What I'm afraid of is... that might be just it, nothing else, Bardock goes Super Saiyan, defeats Chilled, the end. And nothing is ever explained.

It has? Damn it!

That's what i'm saying, though. I think it'll be: Bardock goes Super Saiyan; Defeats Chilled; A legend is born and will now be spread throughout generations; Wrap-up with tie-in with the ending of the TV Special (with a little luck maybe even with Goku's fight with Freeza).
At least this is what i'm hoping for

In theory, the ending part of the upcoming 3rd chapter can potentially be the easiest part to write.

[Drabaz]

If Bardock is the Super Saiya-jin of Legends, then that means he will die due to his overwhelming strength, right? It'll be interesting to see how he dies and kills Chilled. If indeed he kills Chilled.

[DNA]

Well, cool but, how did Bardock got transported to the past? Who are these aliens? Is Chilled related to Freeza in any way? I mean, this thing is raising more questions than answering.

Maybe he sacrifices himself to kill Chilled.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

If Bardock is the Super Saiya-jin of Legends, then that means he will die due to his overwhelming strength, right? It'll be interesting to see how he dies and kills Chilled. If indeed he kills Chilled.

Dub issue. Herms has said that nothing in the original says anything about the original Super Saiyan's power killing him...

[Drabaz]

If Bardock is the Super Saiya-jin of Legends, then that means he will die due to his overwhelming strength, right? It'll be interesting to see how he dies and kills Chilled. If indeed he kills Chilled.

Dub issue. Herms has said that nothing in the original says anything about the original Super Saiyan's power killing him...

Oh, whoops lol.

[Rukura]

If Bardock is the Super Saiya-jin of Legends, then that means he will die due to his overwhelming strength, right? It'll be interesting to see how he dies and kills Chilled. If indeed he kills Chilled.

TheDevilsCorpse kinda beat me to it but, adding to that comment, Goku didn't die on Namek. And if you wanna go by pure canon, Goku is the one that became the saiyan of the legend.

I think he might die anyway, like DNA said as well, but perhaps more along the lines of Raichi (Lychee?) in the Plan to Erradicate the Super Saiyans, where he fulfills his purpose and dies off screen.

Well, cool but, how did Bardock got transported to the past? Who are these aliens? Is Chilled related to Freeza in any way? I mean, this thing is raising more questions than answering.

Maybe he sacrifices himself to kill Chilled.

Yup, i wanna see her properly answer them herself as well. I kinda just took it as a weird break in the Space-Time continuum and didn't think much of it, but i don't think it's right to leave it at that lol.

I thought the first chapter explained who they are though. Planet Plant - Bardock states was the prior name of Planet Vegeta. Healing juices - Stated to feel like the ones in the healing pods. Ipana and Berry - Fruit people. They're Tsufurians, right?

I'd love the mindfuck of Chilled being Kid Freeza (Bardock does keep screaming "Freeza" over and over...and by Pokemon logic, a "Chilled" would evolve into a "Freeza"....someone please make that an animated gif...). And going by the Cell arc, this would've created a new timeline...in which Freeza is killed by the "Legendary Super Saiyan", that sacrifices himself and comunicates with baby Goku on the pod one last time (or with adult Goku as he transforms).
Doesn't Bardock fit so well next to Lychee in Multiverse right now?

[DNA]

I thought the first chapter explained who they are though. Planet Plant - Bardock states was the prior name of Planet Vegeta. Healing juices - Stated to feel like the ones in the healing pods. Ipana and Berry - Fruit people. They're Tsufurians, right?

What about all the other appearances the Tsufurians already made? And all the backstory? This is not the Yadratians that made an appearance in flashback in the Anime and were designed by Toei, the Tsufurians were already designed by Toriyama and they do NOT look anything like these guys. Also the redesign of the Yadratians does not raise any inconsistencies, the redesign of the Tsufurians on the other hand. How did these guys create the scouters? I keep telling ya, these are NOT the Tsufurians, at best they are Plantians. Which raises the question, where did the Tsufurians come from?

I'd love the mindfuck of Chilled being Kid Freeza :lol: (Bardock does keep screaming "Freeza" over and over...and by Pokemon logic, a "Chilled" would evolve into a "Freeza"....someone please make that an animated gif...). And going by the Cell arc, this would've created a new timeline...in which Freeza is killed by the "Legendary Super Saiyan", that sacrifices himself and comunicates with baby Goku on the pod one last time (or with adult Goku as he transforms).
Doesn't Bardock fit so well next to Lychee in Multiverse right now? :lol:

How the fuck would that even work? Freeza is not a pokemon, and Chilled does not look in anyway like Freeza, neither physical look, colour scheme, mannerisms, age? Oh also, he doesn't have the same name, don't know if you noticed that. And no, unless Bardock finds a way to live about a thousand years, he does not fit.