That's what I realy want to see, every What-if Character specialsDNA wrote:On the other topic, I wouldn't mind if Ooishi would be in charge of these small special chapters. Imagine the possibilities of explaining other "what if" forms and characters. How and why did Trunks attain Super Saiyan 3? What about Vegeta and Broly? In which situation did Tenshinhan and Yamcha fuse?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
I completely understand that, it was just the way you phrased it. I was thinking..."Isn't Z already part of the Dragon Ball continuity? And 5 chapters...huh? Wait, OOOHHH." lol It would have helped me catch on quicker if you had said "rewrite Toriyama's 5 Neko Majin Z chapters" or something to that effect, but it wasn't that big a deal. I did eventually figure it out on my own. >.> lolDNA wrote:I edited it a bit, yeah I meant Neko Majin. I don't like to call him "Neko Majin" or "Neko Majin Z" because he is A Neko Majin called Z. It would be like saying "Saiyan Vegeta" or "Namekian Piccolo".
Or "Majin Boo".DNA wrote:I don't like to call him "Neko Majin" or "Neko Majin Z" because he is A Neko Majin called Z. It would be like saying "Saiyan Vegeta" or "Namekian Piccolo".
Hrm I dunno, I don't think it's really quite the same.Herms wrote:Or "Majin Boo".DNA wrote:I don't like to call him "Neko Majin" or "Neko Majin Z" because he is A Neko Majin called Z. It would be like saying "Saiyan Vegeta" or "Namekian Piccolo".
No, actually there are tons of them according to the manga's themselves, at the beginning they explain there are various Neko Majin's, including one called Mike (from Neko Majin Mike) and Z the strongest of the Neko Majin.Luke Groundwalker wrote:Hrm I dunno, I don't think it's really quite the same.Herms wrote:Or "Majin Boo".DNA wrote:I don't like to call him "Neko Majin" or "Neko Majin Z" because he is A Neko Majin called Z. It would be like saying "Saiyan Vegeta" or "Namekian Piccolo".
I don't think anyone really thought of "Majin" as a race till Dragonball Online.
But I do think calling him "Z" is correct.
Though keep in mind there are two of them: Neko Majin & Z
Well, it not quite different from "Super Saiyan Son Goku" and we heard of that plenty times.Herms wrote:Or "Majin Boo".DNA wrote:I don't like to call him "Neko Majin" or "Neko Majin Z" because he is A Neko Majin called Z. It would be like saying "Saiyan Vegeta" or "Namekian Piccolo".
Bleh I forgot about MikeDNA wrote:No, actually there are tons of them according to the manga's themselves, at the beginning they explain there are various Neko Majin's, including one called Mike (from Neko Majin Mike) and Z the strongest of the Neko Majin.
As for Majin Buu, I do get where you're coming from, but Herms has a point, he's a Majin named Buu.
"Majin" isn't just some word invented to describe Boo. It's a Japanese word for human-like beings with supernatural powers (including, of course, genie/djinn), and in DB characters already know what a "majin" is even if they've never heard of Boo. Kaioshin introduces him as a "majin named 'Boo'". Goten and Trunks are instantly excited when they hear there's a majin around. Gohan even says he expected Boo to be bigger since he's a majin; he has preconceptions about what a majin is. Maybe "race" isn't the right word, but right there in the original series "majin" refers to an entire category of beings including but not limited to Boo.Luke Groundwalker wrote:I don't think anyone really thought of "Majin" as a race till Dragonball Online.
This is all true, but I never really got that context from Dragonball till you mentioned it. It makes sense considering the origin of the term, however. Still even in this context "Majin" is pretty much used as a title, as it's the only one we see in the series. Similar to how "Daimou" is Piccolo's title even though it's a pretty generic term and might as well say "Piccolo the Demon (King)"Herms wrote:"Majin" isn't just some word invented to describe Boo. It's a Japanese word for human-like beings with supernatural powers (including, of course, genie/djinn), and in DB characters already know what a "majin" is even if they've never heard of Boo. Kaioshin introduces him as a "majin named 'Boo'". Goten and Trunks are instantly excited when they hear there's a majin around. Gohan even says he expected Boo to be bigger since he's a majin; he has preconceptions about what a majin is. Maybe "race" isn't the right word, but right there in the original series "majin" refers to an entire category of beings including but not limited to Boo.Luke Groundwalker wrote:I don't think anyone really thought of "Majin" as a race till Dragonball Online.
Hence why you normally see his name in English as Demon King Piccolo. Daimao is his title, unlike Gyumao which besides meaning Demon Ox King, it's his name, so it doesn't get translated. I'm not too sure about Kaio to King Kai, if you translate the "ou" shouldn't you translate the "kai" as well? Should you leave it as "Kaio"? Herms?Luke Groundwalker wrote:Similar to how "Daimou" is Piccolo's title even though it's a pretty generic term and might as well say "Piccolo the Demon (King)"
Well, would you want "Kaioken" translated as "King of the Worlds Fighting Style"?DNA wrote:Luke Groundwalker wrote:I'm not too sure about Kaio to King Kai, if you translate the "ou" shouldn't you translate the "kai" as well? Should you leave it as "Kaio"? Herms?
Well, Viz translates it quite directly as the "Great Demon King Piccolo", but the Funi dub and most fans shorten this to "King Piccolo". Which bugs me, because I think the "demon" part's a lot more important than the "king" part, him being the evil half of Earth's God and all. Also, simply calling him "king" makes it hard to distinguish between the title he has right from the start and the title he steals from the King.DNA wrote:Hence why you normally see his name in English as Demon King Piccolo.
Well, "Gyumao" sure sounds like a title too, but we're never told what his real name is, if he has one, so it's harder to distinguish between the character and the title. It's hard to believe his parents named him "Gyumao", but maybe they were just weird.Daimao is his title, unlike Gyumao which besides meaning Demon Ox King, it's his name, so it doesn't get translated.
"King Kai" gets my vote as the stupidest name in the Funi dub. First, it doesn't convey the meaning of the Japanese name in any way. His name's supposed to signify that he's a king who oversees various worlds, but "King Kai" makes it sound like he's some king named "Kai". They might as well call Gyumao "King Gyuma". Then when they introduced the other Kaios and Kaioshins they use "Kai" like it was a race name. Second, despite all that they just leave "Kaio-Ken" completely as is. So if they're fine using "Kaio" for the Kaio-Ken, why didn't they just use it for Kaio himself? And the whole point behind the name "Kaio-Ken" is that it's the attack that Kaio teaches Goku, but since Funi changes Kaio to "King Kai" the connection is lost.I'm not too sure about Kaio to King Kai, if you translate the "ou" shouldn't you translate the "kai" as well? Should you leave it as "Kaio"? Herms?
More like "Fist of the World King". And sure, why not?KiddoCabbusses wrote:Well, would you want "Kaioken" translated as "King of the Worlds Fighting Style"?
And that's pretty much exactly what happened. Chilled attacks the kid. Bardock gets mad (and thinks about Freeza) to go SSJ. Bardock blasts Chilled into space. He has a happy moment with the villagers (looks like the kid survived). Chilled's minions recover him in space. Chilled says "Tell my clan to watch out for the Saiyan that turns gold" and dies. The end.DNA wrote:What I'm afraid of is... that might be just it, nothing else, Bardock goes Super Saiyan, defeats Chilled, the end. And nothing is ever explained.
I think there's a dub that actually does that.Herms wrote:They might as well call Gyumao "King Gyuma".
Blue wrote:I love how Season 2 is so off color even the box managed to be so.
We can only assume Bardock gets thrown through space-time due to planet Vegeta's explosion being magic...nothing about why specifically has been stated. But to quote NeoKING's translation of the DB Heroes site...Scarz wrote:Okay, I'm confused (mainly because I haven't been paying much attention to what the hell is going on in this special) but when exactly does this special take place? A thousand years in the past? If so then... how? Did I miss something?
"A Tie-In Challenge Mission:
Freeza's ancestor, Chilled, invaded Planet Plant!
Son Goku's father, Bardock, had challenged Freeza but failed, and was thought to have lost his life at the time! However, it would seem that the explosion, as it continued to expand, sent Bardock to the past ... He ended up on a planet where the Saiyans hadn't made their mark yet, the Planet Plant. Now Freeza's ancestor, Chilled, has his eyes on bringing Planet Plant under his reign. Combine your team's power, stop Chilled, and free Planet Plant!"
Chilled finds out in this chapter, when Bardock specifically tells him in response to a "Who are you!?"TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Also, I'm more confused about how Chilled knew Bardock was a Saiyan? was it specified somewhere that I glanced over, or in the new chapter? or are we just to assume that Freeza's race has had previous run-ins with the monkeys in the past before Freeza annexed them?
