Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Bussani]

Your whole point there was about the temperature and not it's cutting power.

That's because they're the same thing. That's how plasma cuts.

Force imbued weapons aren't exactly resistant to lightsabers.

You missed an "as such" on the end there.

Lightsaber-resistant material:

Force Weapon: Weapons imbued with the power of the Force.

Water is also listed under "Lightsaber-resistant materials" even though it only shorts out the weapon, and only under certain circumstances. You're taking the section name too literally, and you're doing so on purpose just to argue.

[SSJkid]

Your whole point there was about the temperature and not it's cutting power.

That's because they're the same thing. That's how plasma cuts.

Yet, it doesn't point out about the surface of the sun or some temperature you listed, it's just a plasma that can cut anything except the lightsaber-resistant materials, as simple as that.

Force imbued weapons aren't exactly resistant to lightsabers.

You missed an "as such" on the end there.

Lightsaber-resistant material:

Force Weapon: Weapons imbued with the power of the Force.

Water is also listed under "Lightsaber-resistant materials" even though it only shorts out the weapon, and only under certain circumstances. You're taking the section name too literally, and you're doing so on purpose just to argue.

Argue with the guide books, Force/Ki imbued can parry the lightsaber, therefore it resists the cutting power of lightsaber.

[Bussani]

Yet, it doesn't point out about the surface of the sun or some temperature you listed, it's just a plasma

The temperatures I listed are the temperatures of "just plasma". The surface of the sun itself is also "just plasma". It's the fourth state of matter; if you cool it back down it'll just turn back into gas. I'm not sure how you think some room temperature version of plasma would cut through anything.

Force/Ki imbued can parry the lightsaber, therefore it resists the cutting power of lightsaber.

Flawed logic. A lightsaber can parry another lightsaber, but the "cutting power" has nothing to do with it. The plasma arcs never actually touch each other. If they did, one or both weapons would probably short out.

[SSJkid]

Yet, it doesn't point out about the surface of the sun or some temperature you listed, it's just a plasma

The temperatures I listed are the temperatures of "just plasma". The surface of the sun itself is also "just plasma". It's the fourth state of matter; if you cool it back down it'll just turn back into gas. I'm not sure how you think some room temperature version of plasma would cut through anything.

Aside from blackhole, I'm not sure how you think some other pressure version would suck a light like what Yakon did. Like Toriyama, George Lucas never came up with the idea of lightsabers as hot as the surface of the sun. The technology of lightsaber is not real, it's a science fiction weapon, comparing it to real life technology is flawed logic just to make Luke beat Vegeta or Goku.

This is fiction, in OnePiece, StrawHats Pirates(Ussop, Zoro and Robin) survived Enel's million volts technique, does it mean they can survive the surface of the sun? How big is the surface of the sun? How instant is Enel's million volts technique?
I can see a DragonBall characters surviving a few seconds or instant temperature of surface of the sun but to take a dive to the actual surface sun is in question because it's different.

Force/Ki imbued can parry the lightsaber, therefore it resists the cutting power of lightsaber.

Flawed logic. A lightsaber can parry another lightsaber, but the "cutting power" has nothing to do with it. The plasma arcs never actually touch each other. If they did, one or both weapons would probably short out.

Comparing the science fiction technology to the real world technology is more of a flawed logic. Based on StarWars, being plasma has nothing to do with it, it's just a technology that releases plasma with an incredible cutting power and please read the list of light saber resistant materials.
Your argument is about heat of plasma, but the StarWars focus more on cutting power.

[Hellspawn28]

Tao (Mecha) vs Magneto

Magneto would use his magnetic powers to rip Tao apart. Megneto is strong character, his shield at full force stop a attack that was going to destroy the Earth from Galactus from what I can remember. I can see him making it pretty far into DBZ.

[Savage68]

Hahahahaha.

[VegettoEX]

Hahahahaha.

This isn't a worthwhile post. What are you laughing about? Is the situation funny, or are you putting down your fellow fans' opinions? I can't even tell.

[vegetaslegacy15]

Well there is a metal in the star wars universe that is resistant to lightsabers called cortosis. Just saying.

[Savage68]

Hahahahaha.

This isn't a worthwhile post. What are you laughing about? Is the situation funny, or are you putting down your fellow fans' opinions? I can't even tell.

I was indeed putting down his opinion.

[SSJkid]

Tao (Mecha) vs Magneto

Magneto would use his magnetic powers to rip Tao apart. Megneto is strong character, his shield at full force stop a attack that was going to destroy the Earth from Galactus from what I can remember. I can see him making it pretty far into DBZ.

Scans, if none, it's just a hearsay.

Attack going to destroy the Earth = Power Level 18000

Marvel/DC/American peak humans are always overhyped.

[caejones]

While Vegeta at 1800 was confident he could destroy the Earth in one attack, the comparison was referring to Galactus, who, in a state weakened by hunger, was only ever "killed" by three galaxies worth of firepower... and even then, it really just broke his armor.
Just stopping his attacks, however, probably doesn't take such insane amounts of power. I wouldn't try to suggest that Magneto is a match for a force that makes me think of the genki dama used in GT.

[Piccolo Daimao]

While Vegeta at 18000

Fixed.

[Hellspawn28]

Tao (Mecha) vs Magneto

Magneto would use his magnetic powers to rip Tao apart. Megneto is strong character, his shield at full force stop a attack that was going to destroy the Earth from Galactus from what I can remember. I can see him making it pretty far into DBZ.

Scans, if none, it's just a hearsay.

I don't have any on me at the moment since my old PC is dead (Which had a good amount of scans from older comics) but I recall it was one of the secret war issues when Galactus was hungry and Megneto stop it since it was also going to kill Xavier as well from what I can remember correctly.

[SSJkid]

While Vegeta at 1800 was confident he could destroy the Earth in one attack, the comparison was referring to Galactus, who, in a state weakened by hunger, was only ever "killed" by three galaxies worth of firepower... and even then, it really just broke his armor.
Just stopping his attacks, however, probably doesn't take such insane amounts of power. I wouldn't try to suggest that Magneto is a match for a force that makes me think of the genki dama used in GT.

It's not weakened by hunger and not a 3 galaxies but Dehydrated-Galactus and 3 solar system.

The argument here is Galactus is going to destroy the Earth. How many times stronger it is?
I doubt it's 1000x stronger because all the planet-Earth buster attack in Marvel/DC is one-18000 power level only, no one mentioned it's twice or 1000x stronger.

I don't have any on me at the moment since my old PC is dead (Which had a good amount of scans from older comics) but I recall it was one of the secret war issues when Galactus was hungry and Megneto stop it since it was also going to kill Xavier as well from what I can remember correctly.

Excuses, excuses and another excuses again, just like before. Just as I thought, it's purely overhyped, like something I know is weaker and something I don't know is stronger.

This is the another post you have made something up about this character and scans had to be posted to show you were doing so. Is there a reason you keep doing this?

Here is what actually happened:



Magneto shielded them from the feedback of him and Xavier trying to enter Galactus' mind. Galactus himself was barely paying attention. Note the words "reflex", "feedback", and that, as far as how much effort Galactus is putting into this "a flickering of Galactus' awareness."



Just to further emphasize the point, here are the X-men themselves acknowledging all Magneto did was block the equivalent of Galactus "mentally shrugging".

So yes, Magneto totally blocked an indirect attack from a fraction of Galactus' mind. Not a planet buster like you claimed.

Where is Galactus' attack that was going to destroy the Planet Earth?



Seriously, is it just that you like making things up about MARVEL/DC peak humans?
Who's the next peak human you would like to overhype?

[Rocketman]

Captain America is peak human. Magneto, Spider-Man and others are superhuman.

[SSJkid]

Magneto is a mutant, mutants are like peak humans. Superman is superhuman.

Peak Human = incomplete set of powers or one power only.

Super Human = complete set of powers = Super Durability, Hypersonic Speed and above, Massive Strength, Destructive Energy Projection.

Magneto = Normal Human Durability, Normal Human Speed, Normal Human Strength and Destructive Energy Projection = Magneto is definition of a normal human with Destructive Energy Projection = Peak Human or Mutant.

For me, it's a joke to fit a character with an incomplete set of powers to a DragonBall Characters. They wouldn't even past King Piccolo's power.

[TheHumblePoet]

Even if a lightsaber can cut Goku, you have to remember that DB characters are so fast nobody would even have a chance of hitting them with one

[Rocketman]

Magneto is a mutant, mutants are like peak humans. Superman is superhuman.

Peak Human = incomplete set of powers or one power only.

Super Human = complete set of powers = Super Durability, Hypersonic Speed and above, Massive Strength, Destructive Energy Projection.

That's an odd definition that isn't used in Marvel (AFAIK). Captain America is peak human because his abilities are at the absolute maximum the human body can achieve. Magneto/Spider-Man/etc are superhuman because their abilities can never be reached by humans.

Ghost Rider could hang with DB, though.

[SSJkid]

Magneto is a mutant, mutants are like peak humans. Superman is superhuman.

Peak Human = incomplete set of powers or one power only.

Super Human = complete set of powers = Super Durability, Hypersonic Speed and above, Massive Strength, Destructive Energy Projection.

That's an odd definition that isn't used in Marvel (AFAIK). Captain America is peak human because his abilities are at the absolute maximum the human body can achieve. Magneto/Spider-Man/etc are superhuman because their abilities can never be reached by humans.

OK fine, but for me it's a joke or it's hard to imagine a superhuman character with Normal Human Durability, Normal Human Speed and Normal Human Strength aka Magneto to keep up with DragonBall characters. They should have at least break the barrier of "Planet-Earth Buster Durability" and strength to compete or beat Saiyan-Arc characters. As for Freeza-level, they should be at least 1000x or more stronger than Saiyan-Arc characters to put up a decent fight.

Ghost Rider could hang with DB, though.

Is it Penance Stare?

If Ghost Rider could hang with DB, so is Captain America

Displayed Physical Lifting:

Goku = 40tons

Ghost Rider = 25 tons

Displayed Hitting Power:

Goku = kicked Freeza that ravaged 2 islands

Ghost Rider = couldn't ravage a building in one hit.

Explosive Power:

I don't need to go on.

Babidi's world wide telepathy + instant exploding of the head >>> Professor X's radius of 250 miles telepathy or Ghost Rider Penance Stare

There are hax in DragonBall that could match some or few Marvel/DC characters but few notice it because the manga focuses more on physical and energy combat.

Most American Superheroes are very powerful yet their set of powers are incomplete or they have weakness/limits.

Superman = faster than light but very hittable, he knows martial arts but chose to brawl instead, kryptonite is his weakness, Batman is a superior martial artists than Superman

Gladiator = very powerful but low confidence is his weakness, very hittable brawler

Thor = very powerful but a very hittable brawler, can't fly on his own

Silver Surfer = very powerful but doesn't know how to fight, he doesn't know how to dodge using multiple head and lateral movements, faster than light but very hittable

Hulk = very powerful but very hittable.

Those characters are debatable because they are iconic figure in American comics.

[Adamant]

That's an odd definition that isn't used in Marvel (AFAIK). Captain America is peak human because his abilities are at the absolute maximum the human body can achieve. Magneto/Spider-Man/etc are superhuman because their abilities can never be reached by humans.

I believe the terms are used to separate mutations and non-mutations - whether your body is still "pure human" or not. Captain America got various shit in his systems that enhanced his muscles/lungs/etc to the extent this was possible. His body is still a natural human body, he just had parts of it enhanced chemically rather than naturally. Spider-man, on the other hand, got his entire body mutated through that spider bite, turning it into some bizarre human/spider hybrid, which had abilities no human body could ever have, since it wasn't really human anymore.