Episode of Bardock: Giant On-Going Manga + Anime Discussion

[lash]

Probably Earth, but I don't think a larger more gravitationally compact planet like Planet Plant could be done in by beings like Dodoria or Zarbon.

So far this is how I reason it:

Chilled was about to destroy Planet Plant/Vegeta in what looked like one blast...pretty much what Freeza did.
I'd put his power at the very least somewhere around that level.
Though off guard, Bardock was able to make him bleed with one blow as well. I think Bardock must have improved significantly...in the hundreds of thousands via battle power. A lucky high end increase of the variable near death powerup the saiyans possess. Seems like a quality power level to enable the legendary transformation.

To support that: Taking into consideration about the war of the Tufurians and Saiyans...with Oozaru type battle powers anywhere from the 10,000-100,000 ravaging around... the planet must at least be pretty durable to that extent I'd say. But then again, measly Earth handling SSJ2/SSJ3 leveled fighters while fighting doesn't really help this thought at all...

[Michsi]

So what now? Should we believe that Bardock is indeed the legendary Super Saiyan?

I suppose it's up to you to decide.

I've said it before, to me it's, nothing more than another "What if" story.

[Fox666]

Chilled was about to destroy Planet Plant/Vegeta in what looked like one blast...pretty much what Freeza did.

Vegeta was also willing in destroying Earth, still he isn't anywere close to Freeza...

[lash]

I think you kind of missed what I said. Earth isn't Planet Plant.

[Shinu]

I had a couple of deja vus while reading the last chapter.

Chilled attacking Berry
Nappa attacking Krillin (second pic)


Bardock walking
Goku walking



Chilled imagining Bardock
Vegeta looking at Goku

[BobZ]

I just read this and I have to say that I enjoyed it quite a lot! It was simple and childish at first glance and also brutal at some moments. I also think that it lacked certain explanations to make the story clearer, but other than that it was pretty neat.

The Plantarians reminded me of Tarble's wife a bit. I like how simple and cute their design was overall.

I'd love to have this translated in English by Viz and also be able to add it to my collection. Even better would be to have an animated special of it! But... back to reality now.

So should I take it that Akira Toriyama as a supervisor wrote the story for the special or was his name just thrown there to get people more hyped about the whole thing?

[Fox666]

MangaStream translated it as "directed by Toriyama", but it seems that "supervisioned" or "approved" would be more accurate. So you shouldn't take it as if Toriyama was involved in the creation of it.

[BobZ]

Aww... well, that's what I thought anyway. Good to know, thanks.

[Herms]

For comparison, take the "Dr. Slump Returns for a Little Bit" manga. Toriyama's credited with supervising (監修) that too, while Takao Koyama is credited with writing the actual script, and Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru did the pictures. So Toriyama was just an editorial supervisor and didn't directly create anything. Toriyama's credited in the same way for this Bardock manga, so it's probably a similar situation. Certainly if Toriyama had actually written the story V-Jump would be hyping the hell out of this fact. Look at what happened with the Jump Super Anime Tour special, where they trumpeted how it was based on an original idea of Toriyama's (with Takao Koyama once again writing the actual script).

[Luke Groundwalker]

So don't. This special won't and isn't retroactively going to change the events that have happened in DB.

I don't choose what is and what isn't. This is an official, direct sequel to the Bardock special. It's not like I can just decide it's nothing, because it's there, and it's going to serve a framework for the future of the series going into similar concepts and directions.

[Fox666]

That's just a mini side-story that serves as supplemental material for a videogame, so I would be cautions before calling it "official and direct sequel to the special".

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That's just a mini side-story that serves as supplemental material for a videogame, so I would be cautions before calling it "official and direct sequel to the special".

Even if it was to promote a thong, it would still be official and direct sequel to the special. What it is matters, what it promotes, that's another story.

[sangofe]

What a terrible ending...

[TheDevilsCorpse]

That's just a mini side-story that serves as supplemental material for a videogame, so I would be cautions before calling it "official and direct sequel to the special".

It's an officially license DB release, not a doujinshii or anything, and the magazine itself described it as a sequel. The only reason I see people not wanting to believe this is because they don't really like it all that much. You may be able to twist your label of it into something like "side-story" so that it doesn't affect you're personal canon, but that ins't accurate and doesn't change the fact that it is an officially acknowledged as a sequel to the Bardock TV Special:

so maybe they're not necessarily trying to fit it into the series timeline like that.

I spoke too soon, because I just noticed the page before the manga starts says exactly that. There's a blurb that describes what the TV special was (broadcast 21 years ago, etc), then says this manga is a sequel to it. There's also a timeline describing the events of the TV special, and the final line of the timeline says, "However, Bardock lived!! You'll know the truth by reading this story!!" There's also a blurb that says Toriyama designed Chilled.

[Scarz]

Finally got around to actually reading the Bardock mini story instead of skimming through it. And well, yeah it's not good. It's certainly not terrible but not exactly great either. What really bugs me about the special is that it just ruins the ending to the original Bardock special for me. In the special, as we all know, Bardock has a vision before he dies that his son faces Freeza and he's assured that Goku/Kakarot will be the one to defeat him and avenge the saiyan race. Now in this special, Bardock somehow travels back in time and defeats "Freeza" (at least that what he thinks) and becomes the legendary Super Saiyan.

Although it's an interesting idea it just completely kills whatever impact the original special had. Bardock was a low class warrior against incredible odds, we cheered for him even though we knew he was going to fail and when he did it was okay because at least his son was going to one day triumph. Now it's like "Bardock is now a SSJ, bitchin'!"

[Mountain]

Finally got around to actually reading the Bardock mini story instead of skimming through it. And well, yeah it's not good. It's certainly not terrible but not exactly great either. What really bugs me about the special is that it just ruins the ending to the original Bardock special for me. In the special, as we all know, Bardock has a vision before he dies that his son faces Freeza and he's assured that Goku/Kakarot will be the one to defeat him and avenge the saiyan race. Now in this special, Bardock somehow travels back in time and defeats "Freeza" (at least that what he thinks) and becomes the legendary Super Saiyan.

Although it's an interesting idea it just completely kills whatever impact the original special had. Bardock was a low class warrior against incredible odds, we cheered for him even though we knew he was going to fail and when he did it was okay because at least his son was going to one day triumph. Now it's like "Bardock is now a SSJ, bitchin'!"

Haha. Well, although you make a very good point, at least this special doesn't contradict the events that will come to take place. Freeza was always terrified of the legend even if he didn't believe it to be 100% true. I admit that there wasn't much explanation for Bardock going to the past, but his fight with Chilled did set this Super Saiyan legend in motion (that is, if you do consider this to be apart of your own personal canon). FWIW, I really don't mind this story, but it feels more like a 'what if' scenario, rather than a continuation of the Bardock special. To be honest, I'd much prefer the story of Goku landing on Earth, to be found by Grandpa Gohan; that would really interest me, in terms of a true continuation. Let's face it... until further explanation, Bardock died in that damned explosion. Lol.

[Herms]

You know <i>An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge</i>? Maybe this special is the same idea, except they forgot to tack on the scene at the end where it turns out everything was just Bardock's hallucination as he dies in Freeza's giant Death Ball.

[monster]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesterday's_Enterprise

The story seemed similar to that popular Star Trek episode, Toriyama is apparently a Star Trek fan so it's possible the idea came from him.

If Bardock was sent back in time by the massive explosion caused by the destruction of planet Vegeta I'm sure someone involved with the story saw that episode.

[AgitoZ]

The story seemed similar to that popular Star Trek episode, Toriyama is apparently a Star Trek fan so it's possible the idea came from him.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say Toriyama contributed nothing to the story aside from approving it. Even if he did, I'd be surprised if he remember an old Star Trek episode, the man can barely remember his own creations.

[Mountain]

You know <i>An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge</i>? Maybe this special is the same idea, except they forgot to tack on the scene at the end where it turns out everything was just Bardock's hallucination as he dies in Freeza's giant Death Ball.

You know, I thought of that back when I read part 1 (that it may be some sort of dream). If that isn't the case, then it must be some sort of ripple through time that was activated by the explosion. Then again, that's Dragon Ball for ya: creating more questions than answers, which may be the reason that we all spend so much time obsessing over it. =P