Why didn't Pan go SSJ?

[DanielGClapp]

I did a search on this topic and nothing came up, so... ya. Why didn't Pan go SSJ? I honestly think that that Idea alone had more potential than SSJ4. I'm not very impressed by SSJ 4. First of all, we we never see Goku make the transformation as an adult, and when he finally does make the transformation, it seems almost weak in my opinion. I guess I just didn't fall for the hype. Now if Pan had gone SSJ, then that would be an entirely new story! So what do you guys think?

[Herms]

It is kind of interesting that she never becomes Super Saiyan in GT, because the first Perfect Files book's section on Super Saiyans has a sidebar noting that she and Bra can potentially becomes ones and might when some big danger threatens the Earth. So it sounds like they might have had plans to that effect, but didn't ultimately go through with them for whatever reason. Maybe it's something they would have done if GT's ratings had been good enough for it to go on longer than it did.

[Super Vegito]

GT.

[DanielGClapp]

GT.

Um, yes obviously? Anyways, yes I had already researched this and I found that Pan and Bra had the potential to go SSJ. I don't really care about Bra, though. I don't like her that much.

[TripleRach]

GT.

Please be more substantial with your posts, as described in the forum rules.

[Bussani]

I used to wonder this myself, but it's not like plain ol' Super Saiyans were actually useful for anything in GT anyway. Even if she had transformed, the big villain would have knocked her out the way so Goku could save the day.

[DanielGClapp]

I used to wonder this myself, but it's not like plain ol' Super Saiyans were actually useful for anything in GT anyway. Even if she had transformed, the big villain would have knocked her out the way so Goku could save the day.

Yes this is true, although Pan proved more helpful than what I thought she would be. I think that she should have particularly transformed during the Black Star Dragonball saga. She probably would have used her powers to make things more interesting.

[NeoKING]

I like to think that we were supposed to see a lot of things in GT, SSJ Pan and more Redict/Ledgic being a couple of 'em, but ratings screwed 'em up.

[Super Vegito]

GT.

Um, yes obviously? Anyways, yes I had already researched this and I found that Pan and Bra had the potential to go SSJ. I don't really care about Bra, though. I don't like her that much.

:Sorry, what I meant was GT doesn't make a whole lot of sense as it is.

A relevant example; Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. were able to transform into SSJ like nothing ("I can make my hair yellow" "Oh yeah, me too"), yet they were only... 1/16th of a saiyan? And Goku Jr. is a decendant of Pan, who never even turned SSJ, and I doubt Pan's child did either.

So I don't think it's worth trying to make sense of it all. Goku was GT's focus, as people have established before. Plus having Pan go SSJ wouldn't make much of a difference, in a universe where SSJ3/4 Goku isn't enough. She'd get thrown around like the rest of the Z fighters. Majuub was barely worth anything

[Piccolo Daimao]

Sorry, what I meant was GT doesn't make a whole lot of sense as it is.

But Pan not becoming a Super Saiyan isn't something that doesn't make sense. There's nothing that says "Pan must be able to transform into a Super Saiyan". An in-universe explanation could be simply be the fact that she's female.

[Eire]

Herms cited official publication that they could, so that isn't a reason. Not everything all possibilities are used- I was told to be a good archer, but lack of time, will, motivation, training and focusing on other skills caused that I'm not female Robin Hood

The simplest explanation would be the fact that it wasn't necessarily for the plot. Since all GT all characters development is about all cast becoming Goku's cheerleaders I wouldn't expect anything like that happen.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Herms cited official publication that they could, so that isn't a reason.

Right, well that's that theory out of the window.

[Eire]

Not used doesn't mean discredited.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. were able to transform into SSJ like nothing ("I can make my hair yellow" "Oh yeah, me too"), yet they were only... 1/16th of a saiyan?

Actually, they were 1/64 in the original, as Pan said that se is Goku Jr.'s great-great-grandmother, which makes him 1/64 Saiyan, and probably Vegeta Jr. too.
On topic, to become SSJ, you must be strong enough, have pure heart and get very angry and release it with a bam(like Goku said). Pan didn't have a reason to get as angry as Goku was when he became one. And... she didn't seemed to me very pure hearted in GT...

[Scarz]

I like to think that if GT continued, Pan would've have eventually become a SSJ. I always thought it was little unfair that Trunks and Goten were able to turn SSJ so easily but when it comes to Bra and Pan they're stuck in their base forms for the entirety of GT. What's the deal with that? For the longest time I thought it was because saiyan girls couldn't turn SSJ.

Actually, they were 1/64 in the original, as Pan said that se is Goku Jr.'s great-great-grandmother, which makes him 1/64 Saiyan, and probably Vegeta Jr. too.
On topic, to become SSJ, you must be strong enough, have pure heart and get very angry and release it with a bam(like Goku said). Pan didn't have a reason to get as angry as Goku was when he became one. And... she didn't seemed to me very pure hearted in GT...

Vegeta certainly wasn't pure of heart when he became a SSJ. He did mention that he was pure evil. Maybe you have to be 100% innocent or an evil son-of-a-bitch to reach that level.

[hleV]

I'm surprised people are still bringing the pure of heart thing into the conditions of going SSJ, as it's been proven to be nothing more than a stupid assumption later in the series.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I actually don't even believe in that pure heart rule. When Goku made his big speech after he first transformed into a Super Saiyan, he obviously wouldn't have known about the conditions for becoming a Super Saiyan, since he'd only just transformed for the first time, and he wasn't even clear on what a Super Saiyan was supposed to be in the first place.

Then the second instance of the pure heart rule being stated, when Kuririn questions how Vegeta can become a Super Saiyan. Kuririn was dead when Goku made his speech, nor did we see Goku ever tell them about it after he came back to Earth, and after the three years training for the Androids, Kuririn comments on how much Gohan has grown and Goku mentions something like, "What's with the long face, Kuririn? Not happy to see after all this time?"

[Super Vegito]

Sorry, what I meant was GT doesn't make a whole lot of sense as it is.

But Pan not becoming a Super Saiyan isn't something that doesn't make sense. There's nothing that says "Pan must be able to transform into a Super Saiyan". An in-universe explanation could be simply be the fact that she's female.

Which sounds a bit sexist, implying that females are weaker, or incapable. (not calling you a sexist, just saying the idea sort of is)

So without taking the female factor into account, she should have been able to transform, if Goku and Vegeta Jr. could. And that's where it doesn't make sense.

[Rostir]

I really don't believe there's much to think about, if she is able to transform into a SSJ, we just don't know, because it was never mentioned, and it never happened. Maybe the writers didn't want it to happen? The reason why could be speculated for decades.

[DanielGClapp]

Pan didn't have a reason to get as angry as Goku was when he became one.

Neither did Trunks and Goten.