New Dragon Ball series.

[satoshi425]

As a matter of fact, nowhere does it say that Hoshi and Heroes are the same, it's fans labeling the wrong stuff. From what I read Hoshi is a totally separate project, can't people read??? Clearly when you saw the youtube videos they say "Dragonball heroes" in the actual video.

How can that be mistaken for HOSHI??? LMAO. It is really not impossible at all if this Hoshi is a project from Naho, but I imagine this is a major project which word got out overseas. They haven't even released any photos so we as fans just have to wait and see what comes of it.

From what I have read, Hoshi is the Manga sequel to the original Z. Maybe Naho is trying to make her mark in the Dragonball franchise before she takes on such a big project.

We never know everything that goes on truthfully.

As for the Evil goku specials in GT, it's old, and ssj5 was introduced in it, and takes place shortly after the Evil Shenlong Saga. The backstory of it was it wasn't a mass production, and they were promotionals. We won't get everything, and this stuff is rather OLD. I don't get why people concur that just because they can't find something it is made up. Maybe you have been looking for the wrong thing, and don't know where to look and the licensing situation that part of the series had. If a show didn't come out, you would not see anything from it even if a few people managed to get it because they know the severity of consequences.

As for Z Ultimate, its rather old as well. It was conceived around 2000-2001
due for a release in 2003 but it never came out I believe for financial reason. It was picked up again in 05, then again in 07 and still didn't come out. The backstory on the production I think was distribution, supply and demand, and licensing and funding. I know a bunch of 3rd party companies were involved. Its fully complete, episodes, specials, movies and all. Just never hit the public most likely vaulted in a warehouse.

The story for z ultimate makes a lot of sense, and is a true expansion to the db universe.

Another thing i have to say is people complain about how overpowered db is, well i take it you never read any marvel. Ultimate does overpower the characters, but does it in ways that work for the type of series db is, and does it in a gradual way, they do it right. They should have stopped at 6 because it was a galaxy buster, and you had white main oozaru stage on 6. But it was cool to add 7,8, and 9. Those levels are not natural levels as being 6 is called "origin saiyajin" being the original form talked in the legends. The Gungir saga explains everything about frieza's planet, the saiyan race, and what happened. Another thing, after 5, they are titles to the levels not numbers but it's easier to keep up with in numbers. I forgot what they call 7 but ssj8 is called コズミック (Kozumikku ) saiyajin as it is cosmic and a universe busting reality warping being. ssj9 would be kukkyou saiyajin or kami saiyajin.

ssj6 and above fight in space only. ssj6 sheer presence will disintegrate any planet after a certain amount of time. The way they used to fight on earth or Namek when they teleported around the planet they teleport around the universe now as their battleground. No more need for spaceships unless you are one of the weaker characters.

ssj8 is a strange level, it can destroy a universe in a single setting with full power, and a cosmic and material conversion, and can reach any place in seconds. The appearance all i know is about the hair, it constantly flashes different colors much like hyper sonic from sonic 3 to be best described.

ssj9 varies from vegita and goku. vegita 9 would be considered a multiverse buster, who can create universes/multiverses, create, ni omnipresent, warp reality to a great degree, but whatever he does in one universe only affects that universe.

Goku ssj9 is a True Omnipotent = God (can do anything and everything, all powerful) and is an Omniversal level character, so whatever he does in one universe affects all universes. He is Omniscient ( all knowing), and Omnipresent (everywhere at once). So basically he is the end all be all character in the end which is fitting.



Goku ssj8 was enough because by himself he could level a universe no problem (so could vegita 8, super evil juu bei, Eksearu, rashouman, tentou kai) but the fact that goku 8 merges with Eksearu (all 3 dragons combined) made him even more powerful as he could grant his own wishes and other wishes. Even combined Super Juu Bei was an even match with goku 8. Piccolo merged the 3 dragons together in order to wish juu bei away, but it didn't work because they are about the same pl. So goku merged with eksearu to become 8.


When eksearu went corrupt and detached from goku, goku and vegita were reduced to ssj6 form until goku got training from tentou kai and became ssj9 son goku. Tentou kai had energy in reserve and gave it to vegita to go ssj9.

It was said the universe cannot keep up with the amount of raw energy (ki) ssj8 outputs and overtime causes a collapse until everything is eventually gone thus destroying the universe. So they fight in oblivion from juu bei to Eksearu saga.

Only cosmic level beings can survive in oblivion (ssj8, the dragons because they are apart of eksearu, juu bei, and anyone on or above that level will be unaffected.)

anyone below who is in shitsunen (oblivion), lets say a ssj6, could last a long time but would eventually disintegrate into nothingness after an extensive amount of time. Someone like bulma or master roshi would die instantly.

Yeah, in the end everyone pretty much dies, except for the jr's, son gosan ( trunk's and pan's son and goku jr's father), and goku because he is the new gaurdian of the universe because after defeating juu bei, he was the overseer of oblivion, but in the eksearu saga, he destroyed eksearu and oblivion and made a new dragon from eksearu's remains daruku. Oblivion stored all the negative energy from the universe (heaven, hell, our universe, the dragonballs), and piccolo figured out that that's the reason why Juu bei went corrupt in oblivion.

There was a special after the juu bei saga called "Son Gosan you're our last hero" (rough translation) takes place a little before the 100 year mark for GT's goku jr vegita jr tournament. Basically everyone died in the events of juu bei, (goku only appears in dier situations and does not like to intefere as he is ssj8 by this time) and gosan comes to the realization that he is the only one who can rightfully protect the earth, because the jr's, goten's daughter etc are not really capable of much help, goku gave him inspiration in the end for the enemy he fought and he undergoes the ssj5 transformation.

In one of the episodes, I think right before the eksearu saga, everyone is restored by goku and return to youthfulness, not necessarily kids, but young adult ages. He can warp reality so he can do this easily. This was after the 100 year mark and pan and bra also get restored to youthful ages. That lady with the green hair was bra's daughter. They do a timeskip so in the Eksearu saga the jr's are older than what they appeared in GT, not quite adult, late teens.

It's a really good series from the storyline, only confusion is it takes place in that 100 year timejump GT does, and goes a few years beyond. In the end, everyone decided to remain dead, and the jrs, and gosan and the new generation remained, and goku was the gaurdian of the universe.

It would fit perfectly with dragonball online, because by then the saiyan race would have been depleted and breeded with humans. Technically after GT there are no more dragonballs they tend to try to rely on their own strength. the only time they used them in ultimate was the gungir saga (porunga), and when piccolo came back in roki saga the blackstars came back but they sealed them away, and the earth ones were with goku until the denga brothers ripped them out and destroyed them. Piccolo later made a new batch of earth ones stronger than the last ones, and goku absorbs them again. Goku kind of plays the dragons role at ssj8, but before that he is more of the gaurdian.


These are scattered events and details about the series, but ashame it will most likely never come out unless someone gets licensing for it and distribution.

If something like that was to come out, I think it would be a hit series, but would probably have negative backlash due to how strong they become, and it should have come out a long time ago to have the kind of ratings it deserves. CN is honestly not doing well, no more toonami, I wouldn't wanna see z ultimate on nicktoons lmao they wouldn't even be able to show it. Thats like showing hokuto no ken on daytime tv. Funimation could buy it, but even so, with the funi channel, it wouldn't get the ratings CN pulls. G4 maybe, spike tv. If TOEI gets the situation straight, they should stream it online in original japanese with the subs. They had their chance to show it, so if someone was to bring it here Funi's best bet would be to convince CN to reboot Toonami and launch hit anime on it along with Z Ultimate.

If it came out today, who would watch??? All the diehard dbz fans would, but what about the people who moved on to Naruto, Bleach, Onepiece, Fairy Tail, etc, the new generation would not understand it and probably wont watch. I think it would be hot for a minute, then probably after the gungir saga it would fizzle out because the gungir saga was the most iconic in ultimate just like the frieza saga was back in Z.

In saying this, z ultimate would be considered rather old now, about 11 years old.
If it were to come out, they would call it a "New Series" when it was made a long time ago makes no sense. Then american fans will scream "THE LOST EPISODES", LMAO my God, seriously?? Especially the Evil Goku Specials for GT with gokussj5, They would be like "the lost episodes" which i guess would be appropriate but they are specials not episodes, the last one for GT was episode 64, and the goku jr tv special came on TV, so the specials i am referring to most likely went straight to tape as limited edition promotions for ultimate. It is not up to us to figure out the backstory of the production, but it DOES make plenty sense that there was more.

One serious question, if a darn Pokemon (Arceus) can be omnipotent, and Kami Tenchi is Omnipotent in Ryo-Ohki (he was the biggest whimp in the original series), why is it so hard to believe that Goku could no't achieve the same??? A saiyan. The way the saiyan race was built, there was never any real indication of a limit, only at certain points in time until they evolve.

[VegettoEX]

I really don't know -- nor care -- who you are and what your agenda is, but if you are not going to seriously contribute something to this community, your access will be permanently revoked.

Maybe you don't even care about that, but at least the lulz will be mutual at that point.

[satoshi425]

Its a bit longer than GT, but not that much longer. Reminds me of GT but better (not much of a compliment). It was what GT should have been, Z Ultimate is a true sequel. Ultimate means final, last, indicating the final series, final powers, saga. Z I guess to bring the elements back that z had, but was a GT continuation nonetheless so is also Non-Canon.

If Naho Decides to make hoshi, it will be like this:

Canon:
Dragonball
Dragonball Z
Dragonball Kai
Dragonball Hoshi (Pending Supposed manga continuation of Z, if executed will be the real canon continuation of the main timeline).

What-ifs:
Dragonball Heroes:Episode of Bardock (considered a what if)
Dragonball SD (standoffish about this but whatever Naho does goes)
Cross-Epoch (one piecexDBZ crossover)
Dragonball Heroes Videos: trailer promotionals with new animation for the cardgame, only to promote the game.



Non Canon:
Dragonball GT (considered alternate universe as having nothing to do with the manga)
Dragonball Z Ultimate ( 4th series unreleased continuation of GT also would be considered alernate universe)

Also movies to db/z/gt/ultimate. specials also. even though bardock was referenced in frieza the bardock special is non canon. hatchyack is non canon. Atsumare world was a game compiled of animated clips, so was hatchyack. DBZ Sapuri new animation was just a gameshow with new animation, Nippon DBZ was just goku as the host of a tournament with important figures in japanese history.

Fan-Fiction
Dragonball AF(The most well known fanfiction with storylines compiled by fans and altered pics from previous series, Studio Tomita, and now Toyble along with figurines from yahoo auctions jp.) Amateur toys from japan, china, and mexico were made. If it does well I wouldn't be suprised if they made a show but of course it would be an alternate timeline (what if)
Dragonball AE
Dragonball V
Dragonball SF
Dragonball X
Dragonball Absalon
Dragonball Neo
Dragonball H( The hentai manga about their personal lives. Everyone knows DBH is cannon LOL )

That's about it.


Who knows, Heroes could very well turn into a series if Naho wishes to do it, but I doubt it seriously, but I don't Rule it out.

If not, I am looking forward to Hoshi, or any future specials they might do. I was dissapointed in the Yo son goku and friends return, and the remake to eradicate all saiyans, it seemed kiddish and the coloring made it seem not that serious, good artwork but there was nothing wrong with the original style.

[satoshi425]

??? Well for one I was, two I delivered my thoughts on the matter, 3, I have seen the series like everyone else from back in the day db/z/gt, but I am wise enough to know i still dont know everything. Hell even people in the home country don't know everything that went on with the series.

I understand if I cannot prove it then I should not speak about it so therefore i will stay quiet on the matter.

[satoshi425]

fooling anyone, i simply am giving thoughts about everything i have read over the years, and say that it makes sense, but the thought of it doesnt make sense. If they could make money off of such thing i think we would have heard about it by now even if it didn't come out. GT sucked horribly, there couldnt be anything after its been years since it was over.

Who am i to tell the person its not real? He might know something i dont even though I have watched everything that came out to the public. But if he cant even put a screenshot up, this dude gotta shut it. The story of it from what i read is not unbelievable, but not taken seriously, but idk when i read it, it seems like eeverything fits perfectly.

[satoshi425]

put it this way, if it is a fanfic, this person needs to make something out of it, if not, I wouldn't be suprised. I believe they cancelled a project, but not necessarily the ones we know about.

And no, I was not making an arguement, i was basically saying people take things out of context.

How could fans get HOshi and Heroes mixed up if the title on the video says Heroes?

Not giving false hope, no you can't believe everything you read, but it sounds too real to be fake and has elements of rumors that actually leaked. Sounds more than just a big fabricated story.

I think people are so cautious because they fell for AF a long time ago, so after that anything new is up for great speculation unless announced by officials. It seems even then things are up for speculation.


Just like heroes, for example, when fans saw new animated footage, despite the video having Heroes in the actual video, fans who uploaded the videos would title it "dragonball AF" or "hoshi" lol. I thought it was funny. READ instead of jumping to conclusions is most of what I'm debating about.

All I'm saying is, if it actually was cancelled and it is true, what could be the cause for an entire series not to come out????

Simple to know it all fans (*douchebag voice* because they didn't make anything else) -___-.

I disagree, I believe that they did something, it didn't work out, word got out, and once again, fans went crazy with it and then AF was born. Out of all the things I have heard about, z ultimate makes the most sense. whoever the poster was sounds like he is going off of memory. I'm a normal fan but I follow the series closely.

The japanese think america created the af rumor, maybe true. I'm saying if z ultimate were to be an actual project they abandoned, it could have been misinterpreted by people who got word of it in japan since it never came out to the public, and someone over here or possibly there created their own ssj5 and story just because they thought the idea of it was cool, and is the AF we know today.

I'm just theorizing if this series stacks up to really be an unreleased project, how would we expect to hear about it if someone didn't have it?

Yeah, AF in itself is a complete fabrication, but certain elements that arrive in AF are very possible in a continuation such as the ssj forms, offspring, names. For example xicor, from what i read about the z ultimate is that it's Eksearu(all 3 dragons fused), makes perfect sense. I think its more than coincidence. I am not saying any of them are real, but i do believe they did something, but i don't count out z ultimate not to be a factor. I am not the only one who read about it because dude posted all over the place, but I'm just saying it DOESN't sound impossible at all and would make sense why GT had such an open ending. I could live with the stuff they already made, but if its true, i will try to find it, worth a try. Even if I don't, doesn't mean its fake. How would you be able to get something like that "IF" this was really the case is my real question? If that is the case, sounds like a Bootleg series.

As far as we know, GT is the last one, but i am definitely gonna search. Some of you say, "you are just wasting our time and your own time, get a life". If something never came out, how could you get it? connections. That is the only thing i could think of. There are a couple people probably searching.


say someone found the tapes, if they uploaded it would the person get in trouble??? That guy's main excuse was just that but I mean the internet has loads of illegal stuff.

Anyway, they need to make a DBZ game like marvel vs capcom 1 because 3 fails except for the roster.


I am just looking for answers to my questions w/o anyone being a smart alec and pulling the AF card on me because that's not what I'm talking about.

1. If it's true, how could you obtain a show that never made it public?

2. Does it really seem that farfetched that it was an abandoned project?

3. What are some reasons (if it were true) do you think it didn't come out? (not because they didnt make anything either)

Please, w/o smart alec and sarcastic answers. Theorize with me, nothing like "well, if you could turn nothingness into viewable digital content".

Thanks.

[satoshi425]

hoshi I don't believe, but it was a nice idea.

[jjgp1112]

So...basically, your entire argument boils down to, "Well, I don't know if any of this is true or not, but it sounds cool, so I'm just gonna spout it like it's real."

[Metalwario64]

...5 posts in a row?

satoshi425, facepalm worthy rumor spreading aside (I don't know if you're just joking or not), you need to know there's an "edit" button on the bottom right of your posts that you can click to edit your post when you want to add information.

[sangofe]

Why... revive this pointless, stupid thread? Someone lock it, please!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

satoshi425, lol, a lot fanfiction has f*cked up your mind with a Kamehameha. Why did you waste your time writing a bunch of fanfiction about the supposed real "Dragon Ball Ultimate Z"? The only series that exist are those: Dragon Ball(manga), Dragon Ball(anime), Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball GT, Dragon Ball Kai and the mini-series Dragon Ball SD. There is also Dragon Ball Online, which is not a series, but it's a seperate part of the franchise, and (If you want to consider it) Dragon Ball Heroes, the arcade video game, which has new animated promos, what-if characters and even a three-part manga. So... THERE WILL NEVER BE DRAGON BALL AF, ULTIMATE Z, HOSHI OR ANYTHING ELSE!!! Oh, and next time use the EDIT button, don't make 5 posts in a raw.

[StarRot]

Years later, a doujin manga named "DragonBall Hoshi" will appear.

I'll admit, I'd totally be all over that if it was written/drawn well.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yeah...this topic has totally gone off in a different direction than what I created it for.

I wish the board gave users the ability to lock threads they created like some of the others I visit...

[nathantheguitarist]

I'll admit, I'd totally be all over that if it was written/drawn well.

Sshhh, don't encourage the poor boy.

[SaiyaJedi]

Oh man, is it 2001 again? Good times. It's always fun to see a bit of history repeating.

The frustrating thing is that all the things we mention in our rumor guide to debunk the existence of "AF" are even more true so many years on. With the rise of subtitled simulcasts, manga releases within weeks of the Japanese serialization, Twitter, YouTube, and the interconnectedness of the animation and manga industries (and the blogs that follow them) in and out of Japan, it would be absolutely impossible to escape the official announcement of a new Dragon Ball series in this day and age. The very fact that we're not being beaten over the head with it from all sides (let alone in Japanese) is proof enough of its absence.

[funrush]

Yeah...this topic has totally gone off in a different direction than what I created it for.

I wish the board gave users the ability to lock threads they created like some of the others I visit...

This... I think it's time to lock this thing up and throw it away.

[Herms]

Oh man, is it 2001 again? Good times. It's always fun to see a bit of history repeating.

I'm looking forward to 2023, when everyone starts talking about Dragon Ball Skidoo.

[Plague-Memories]

I don't even know what's going on in this thread anymore.

[El Diabeetus]

Oh man, is it 2001 again? Good times. It's always fun to see a bit of history repeating.

I'm looking forward to 2023, when everyone starts talking about Dragon Ball Skidoo.

I'm personally looking forward to 2035 when Dragon Ball: Yume and then in 2040, Dragon Ball: Sekai, comes out.

But, on a serious note; I don't understand how people believe this Hoshi bullshit. Anyone who isn't ignorant about it should be able to tell it's from DB: Heros, an arcade/card game.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If something like that was to come out, I think it would be a shit series

Fix'd.