Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by vegetaslegacy15 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:39 am

For Death star versus Freeza:

Honestly I think Freeza could destroy the Death star. I'm a hardcore Star wars fan but I will admit Freeza is more impressive than the Death star. What I mean is that Freeza could probably strike before the Death star can even fire since it takes time to warm up the laser. Besides that Freeza could probably dodge and then like tear it apart using his psychokinesis
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Post by Bussani » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:03 am

SSJkid wrote:
Rocketman wrote:A nuclear bomb would kill anybody from Dragonball/Z/GT.
Then what kind of missile did Adjutant Black and the World Army use that destroyed the mountain? KI missile? :lol:

Oh, Cell survived that KI MISSILES from the the WORLD ARMY :lol:
Amazingly, there are such things as missiles that aren't nuclear or ki based.
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Post by SSJkid » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:19 am

Bussani wrote:
SSJkid wrote:
Rocketman wrote:A nuclear bomb would kill anybody from Dragonball/Z/GT.
Then what kind of missile did Adjutant Black and the World Army use that destroyed the mountain? KI missile? :lol:

Oh, Cell survived that KI MISSILES from the the WORLD ARMY :lol:
Amazingly, there are such things as missiles that aren't nuclear or ki based.
Sorry, I'm just exaggerating Rocketman's posts about the nukes. First, Ghost Rider and now nuke, :lol: I wouldn't be surprise if Madara's name pop-up next time.

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Post by Rocketman » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:23 pm

SSJkid wrote:nuke, :lol:
This just confirms to me that you have no idea what a nuclear bomb is.

(It's a star. Y'know, the thing King Kai warned Goku about taking energy from?)

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Post by Saiga » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:49 pm

Rocketman wrote:
SSJkid wrote:nuke, :lol:
This just confirms to me that you have no idea what a nuclear bomb is.

(It's a star. Y'know, the thing King Kai warned Goku about taking energy from?)
No, he told Goku that he could make the spirit bomb more powerful from taking the energy. Which he did against Freeza. Didn't work.
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Post by Rocketman » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:52 pm

Saiga wrote:Which he did against Freeza. Didn't work.
No he didn't, unless you're thinking of filler.

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Post by Saiga » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:23 pm

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Saiga wrote:Which he did against Freeza. Didn't work.
No he didn't, unless you're thinking of filler.
The spirit bomb he used had energy from Namek, Namek's Suns, and nearby planets.
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Post by Rocketman » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:47 pm

Saiga wrote:The spirit bomb he used had energy from Namek, Namek's Suns, and nearby planets.
Unless Viz didn't mention it, nope. Only Namek and other planets are said to contribute.

Besides, think about it. If the energy of a star couldn't hurt Freeza, why would Namek's explosion?

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Post by mysticboy » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:58 pm

I'm starting to think the Spirit Bomb isn't ki at all. If it is, Gohan's ki should've been more than enough to beat Buu.

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Post by Pantalones » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:29 pm

Besides, think about it. If the energy of a star couldn't hurt Freeza, why would Namek's explosion?
...Freeza had been beaten up, cut in half, and then blasted by that point. It's a lot easier to hurt someone if they're half-dead already.

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Post by Bussani » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:42 pm

mysticboy wrote:I'm starting to think the Spirit Bomb isn't ki at all. If it is, Gohan's ki should've been more than enough to beat Buu.
It's genki, which is a component of your total ki. All of Gohan's genki isn't the same as all of Gohan's ki.
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Post by SSJkid » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:42 am

Rocketman wrote:
SSJkid wrote:nuke, :lol:
This just confirms to me that you have no idea what a nuclear bomb is.

(It's a star. Y'know, the thing King Kai warned Goku about taking energy from?)
I doubt there's a temperature of 300 million degree Celsius Nuclear Bomb been documented before.

1.) yield of the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever tested (50 megatons) = 2.1×10^17 J

About the bomb:

It was tested 30. october 1961 on Novaya Zemla. It was designed to yield 100 million tons TNT, which would be the same as 540 Empire State Buildings made of TNT. To reduce the amount of radioactive fallout, the uranium was replaced with lead, which reduced the power to 57.000.000 tons of TNT.

The weight of the bomb was 27 tons and it's dimensions are 8x2x2 meters.

It was dropped 10.5 meters above the ground, and carried a nylon parachute which allowed the plane to get 79 km away before the explosion a little more than three minutes later, four km above the ground.

The temperature below and around the explosion rose to 1 million degrees Celsius. The light of the bomb was visible more than 1,000 km away, even in a clouded sky. The shockwave broke windows 900 km away from the explosion, and was recorded on it's third orbit around the Earth. The mushroom cloud rose 64 km above the ground before levelling out. The heat was powerful enough to cause 3rd degree burns to a human standing 100 km away from ground zero.
The fireball had an radius of 2.3 km, and everything was destroyed within 13 km.

The bomb used a fission bomb to start a fusion bomb which should start another fusion bomb. Fission is what happens in nuclear power plants, and fusion is the process that happens inside the core of stars, including our Sun. The bomb produced 1.4% of the energy the Sun produces in the same time, which was 5.4 yottawatt (5,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 watt) in 39 nanoseconds (0.000000039 seconds).

2.) total energy output of the Sun each second = 3.8×10^26 J

Temperature close to 15.7 million kelvin (K)

Do the math, it doesn't necessarily mean they are equal on energy with each other just because it produced 1.4% of the energy of the sun in nanoseconds or temperature of million of degrees in an instant. Also, not even 1 million Tsar Bomba would be enough to destroy our planet unlike Saiyan Arc-Vegeta's Galick Gun.

Sorry but, it seems you're not the same Rocketman that I knew before(Luke Skywalker, Ghost Rider, Goku is evil or wicked, Freeza destroying the Namek in 5 minutes, Buu's regeneration and Nuclear Bomb). Is that really you or just his little brother?

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Post by Bussani » Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:50 am

SSJkid wrote:The temperature below and around the explosion rose to 1 million degrees Celsius.
That should say millions of degrees, not 1 million degrees. I don't know exactly how hot the explosion from the Tsar Bomba was, but other nuclear explosions have reached temperatures greater than 10,000,000 degrees. That's more than 1700 times hotter than the sun's surface, and only a few million off of the sun's hottest parts. Not bad considering how much smaller than the sun it is.
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Post by SSJkid » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:25 am

Bussani wrote:
SSJkid wrote:The temperature below and around the explosion rose to 1 million degrees Celsius.
That should say millions of degrees, not 1 million degrees. I don't know exactly how hot the explosion from the Tsar Bomba was, but other nuclear explosions have reached temperatures greater than 10,000,000 degrees. That's more than 1700 times hotter than the sun's surface, and only a few million off of the sun's hottest parts. Not bad considering how much smaller than the sun it is.
In 39 nano seconds, still too far ahead compare to the heat generated by the sun per seconds.

Tsar Bomba was the most powerful bomb ever detonated. I don't know any other nuclear explosions been documented as hotter than the Tsar Bomba explosion, if you can provide what nuclear explosion is that, the better for the argument. If not, we can raise the question about the validity of that website.

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Post by Rocketman » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:34 am

SSJkid wrote:The temperature below and around the explosion rose to 1 million degrees Celsius.
Whatever you copied that from is incorrect or wrongly translated. Nuclear fusion can't even start in stars at temperatures lower than fifteen million degrees.

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Post by SSJkid » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:42 am

Rocketman wrote:
SSJkid wrote:The temperature below and around the explosion rose to 1 million degrees Celsius.
Whatever you copied that from is incorrect or wrongly translated. Nuclear fusion can't even start in stars at temperatures lower than fifteen million degrees.

Fusion reactions require that the atoms be raised to temperatures of millions of degrees (From Zitzewitz, Paul & Robert Neff. Physics. New York: Glencoe, 1995)

And there's no temperature of 300 million degree Celsius Nuclear Bomb been documented before.

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Post by Rocketman » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:50 am

SSJkid wrote:Tsar Bomba was the most powerful bomb ever detonated. I don't know any other nuclear explosions been documented as hotter than the Tsar Bomba explosion, if you can provide what nuclear explosion is that, the better for the argument. If not, we can raise the question about the validity of that website.
This site? http://www.russianlessons.net/forum/vie ... php?t=1171

"The temperature below and around the explosion rose to millions of degrees."
SSJkid wrote:And there's no temperature of 300 million degree Celsius Nuclear Bomb been documented before.
"Since fission bomb core temperatures can exceed 100 million degrees, and fusion fuel can exceed 300 million degrees"

" the most extreme conditions of thermonuclear weapons (densities of 200-500, and temperatures of 300-350 million degrees), if at all. Note however, that at these extreme densities the atomic shells breakdown" - http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/N ... ml#nfaq3.2

So yes, the raw power of a hydrogen bomb can tear atoms apart.

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Post by SSJkid » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:59 am

Rocketman wrote:
SSJkid wrote:Tsar Bomba was the most powerful bomb ever detonated. I don't know any other nuclear explosions been documented as hotter than the Tsar Bomba explosion, if you can provide what nuclear explosion is that, the better for the argument. If not, we can raise the question about the validity of that website.
This site? http://www.russianlessons.net/forum/vie ... php?t=1171

"The temperature below and around the explosion rose to millions of degrees."
SSJkid wrote:And there's no temperature of 300 million degree Celsius Nuclear Bomb been documented before.
"Since fission bomb core temperatures can exceed 100 million degrees, and fusion fuel can exceed 300 million degrees"
I found this:

http://jtt.hubpages.com/hub/King-of-Bombs

Rocketman wrote: " the most extreme conditions of thermonuclear weapons (densities of 200-500, and temperatures of 300-350 million degrees), if at all. Note however, that at these extreme densities the atomic shells breakdown" - http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/N ... ml#nfaq3.2

So yes, the raw power of a hydrogen bomb can tear atoms apart.
Yet you can still see smoke after the explosion, Buu will regenerate from that or any burning process, and funny, Tsar Bomba was never documented having 300 million degrees.

37 nanoseconds of 5.4 yottawatt is nothing compared to sun is generating per seconds.

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Post by Bussani » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:28 am

SSJkid wrote:In 39 nano seconds
39 nanoseconds is how long it took to release the amount of energy stated. That has nothing to do with the peak temperatures reached. It's not "39 nanoseconds to release 10,000,000 degrees celsius".
Tsar Bomba was the most powerful bomb ever detonated. I don't know any other nuclear explosions been documented as hotter than the Tsar Bomba explosion, if you can provide what nuclear explosion is that, the better for the argument.
I'm not saying other nuclear explosions were hotter than the Tsar Bomba one; I'm saying you rewrote a sentence when you copied those paragraphs (see Rocketman's above link). But since you asked, a couple of other sites back up the one I posted.
SSJkid wrote:37 nanoseconds of 5.4 yottawatt is nothing compared to sun is generating per seconds.
I think it's worth pointing out that the sun's total energy output per second is mostly to do with how enormous it is. That is, to collect the sun's total energy output, you'd have to completely surround it with a giant hollow sphere to catch that energy. Even if you fell into the sun, it's impossible for you to be exposed to all of that energy at once because you'd be too tiny to intercept much of it. In the end, talking about the energy output itself isn't useful; it's all about the temperature.
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Post by Rocketman » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:30 am

SSJkid wrote:Yet you can still see smoke after the explosion
Because the explosion is so ferocious it creates a vacuum. After the shockwave fades, air rushes back into the void, dragging along smoke from the burning land below. The bomb casing (the only solid object near the fusion, as Tsar Bomba was an air burst) is obliterated, its very atoms ripped apart.

Hell, the itty bitty widdle Trinity bomb annihilated the tower it was sitting on. You are severely underestimating the power of nuclear reactions.

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