Broli: SSJ3 or LSSJ3?
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Broli: SSJ3 or LSSJ3?
Broli has appeared in his SSJ3 in the video games Dragon Battlers, Raging Blast and Raging Blast 2, and he was called as SSJ3. However, in an early Raging Blast trailer, he was called by Goku as "Legendary Super Saiyan 3". His appearance supports this too: he appears to change to this state by going SSJ, LSSJ and then SSJ3, and his SSJ3 keeps the LSSJ characteristics.So, is this another Broli-exclusive form? Or just a mutated SSJ3 appearance because of him being the Legendary Super Saiyan?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Broli: SSJ3 or LSSJ3?
It's just Super Saiyan 3 with features exclusive to Broly.
CatouttaHell wrote:I guess he's just impossibly powerful and he now gets thrills from letting things go as much to hell as possible before busting out his ultimate power and ending the villain or some shit.
Re: Broli: SSJ3 or LSSJ3?
I've heard (possibly incorrectly) that his LSS form was described in one of the Daizenshuu's as essentially just being equivalent to a SS2 but unique to him. So that's why his SS3 form is like that.
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He's Broli SSJ3.
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Re: Broli: SSJ3 or LSSJ3?
It's officially just called a SSJ3, but it's clearly a what-you-might-call LSSJ3. With the L- Legendary as an attachment complimenting his unique mutated SSJ form (aka LSSJ). Because no matter how you look at or argue it or how much some magazine says it...Broly's SSJ3 obviously isn't just a standard old SSJ3.
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Re: Broli: SSJ3 or LSSJ3?
It also should give Broli different overall power. Lets say Goku's battle power is 10 and Broli's is 10 too. According to official multipliers:
Goku:
SSJ=500
SSJ2=1000
SSJ3=4000
Broli:
SSJ=500
LSSJ=more or less than 1000, since we don't have official multiplier for this form. Possibly more, because it took the power of 4 SSJ and a Super Namek to defeat him.
(L)SSJ3=LSSJ x4, which possibly gives greater power boost than normal SSJ3
Goku:
SSJ=500
SSJ2=1000
SSJ3=4000
Broli:
SSJ=500
LSSJ=more or less than 1000, since we don't have official multiplier for this form. Possibly more, because it took the power of 4 SSJ and a Super Namek to defeat him.
(L)SSJ3=LSSJ x4, which possibly gives greater power boost than normal SSJ3
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Since Broly, being nuttier than a Snickers bar, doesn't have the capacity to train the way the heroes did to attain Super Saiyan 2, my pet theory is that this hypothetical SSj3 Broly has just become so bloated with power in his LSSj form that he starts venturing into SSj3 levels of power and thus starts showing SSj3 characteristics.
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Re: Broli: SSJ3 or LSSJ3?
The daizenshuu don't say that.Saiga wrote:I've heard (possibly incorrectly) that his LSS form was described in one of the Daizenshuu's as essentially just being equivalent to a SS2 but unique to him.
The closest thing I can think of is the Super Saiyan chart in TV Animation Part 3 places Broli's forms (including not only his "legendary" form but his regular Super Saiyan and blue-haired Super Saiyan forms) in the Cell era section of the chart, along with Grade II, Grade III, Super Saiyan Full Power, and Super Saiyan 2. If someone doesn't look at the chart too closely and/or doesn't know Japanese, I could see how they might assume that the orange-colored middle portion of the chart is supposed to represent Super Saiyan 2 as opposed to just everything in the Cell era, making Broli's forms somehow equivalent to Super Saiyan 2.
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Re: Broli: SSJ3 or LSSJ3?
Hmm... yeah, like maybe the LSS form is like the bar of the Super Saiyan power "overflowing" in Broli... especially considering his restraints limiting the power he had, which broke before he was in that form, so, it's like he broke through into that form, as such. Perhaps the Super Saiyan 3 form is just additional power overflowing.Kaboom wrote:Since Broly, being nuttier than a Snickers bar, doesn't have the capacity to train the way the heroes did to attain Super Saiyan 2, my pet theory is that this hypothetical SSj3 Broly has just become so bloated with power in his LSSj form that he starts venturing into SSj3 levels of power and thus starts showing SSj3 characteristics.
I guess even though it's not canon (it's definitely not manga canon, but is it movie canon or a separate canon branching from the movies?), it's nice to have an explanation.
I think the recent "what-if" transformations have made little sense, even in a non-canon sense. Bardock wasn't near strong enough to attain Super Saiyan, nor was Trunks for Super Saiyan 3, and maybe arguably even Broli, since he was defeated by Gohan and Goten, who could never hold a candle to Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
Vegeta's Super Saiyan 3 is the only solid what-if transformation. Odds are he'd already reached that stage by the "Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!" special.
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Re: Broli: SSJ3 or LSSJ3?
That's why it's called a "what if". It doesn't have to make sense.Thanos wrote: I think the recent "what-if" transformations have made little sense, even in a non-canon sense. Bardock wasn't near strong enough to attain Super Saiyan, nor was Trunks for Super Saiyan 3, and maybe arguably even Broli, since he was defeated by Gohan and Goten, who could never hold a candle to Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
"What if" Bardock turned into a SSJ? "What if" Gogeta and Vegito fought? "What if" Vegeta turned into a SSJ3? "What if" Cooler and Freeza faught? "What if" Broly turned into a SSJ3? etc.
They're like little fan-fics to please your curiousity.
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"What-If"s should be plausible, however.Super Vegito wrote:That's why it's called a "what if". It doesn't have to make sense.Thanos wrote: I think the recent "what-if" transformations have made little sense, even in a non-canon sense. Bardock wasn't near strong enough to attain Super Saiyan, nor was Trunks for Super Saiyan 3, and maybe arguably even Broli, since he was defeated by Gohan and Goten, who could never hold a candle to Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
"What if" Bardock turned into a SSJ? "What if" Gogeta and Vegito fought? "What if" Vegeta turned into a SSJ3? "What if" Cooler and Freeza faught? "What if" Broly turned into a SSJ3? etc.
They're like little fan-fics to please your curiousity.
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Re: Broli: SSJ3 or LSSJ3?
People fap to Broli worldwide, Bandai had to make his form look special. He looks to me like an LSSJ3.
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Eh, I'm still just going to go with the theory that his LSSj is just a mutated SSj2 form and the same goes for his SSj3.
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Re: Broli: SSJ3 or LSSJ3?
Definitely LSSJ3, just named SSJ3. I don't like him having green hair though, as this Broli's hair color is only exclusive to movie #8 and certain factor presented in it. Green color disappeared at the end of the very same movie and was never introduced again, unless in the beginning of movie #10 it's Broli's hair color, not a reflection of the surrounding light.