DBZ Manga censorship

[Nex Carnifex]

Scumbag Viz.

Complains about scanslations. Makes it so that fans who want 100% uncut DBZ manga can't support the U.S. release.

Maybe it's time for another petition by Julian.... At the very least, it would raise awareness about this issue.

Agreed

[Nex Carnifex]

It's not just DBZ getting screwed but tons of others.... FMA, One Piece, Naruto.

Example- at one point in One Piece the World Government's torture prison is visited. Originally they talk about how every inmate is given a "baptism" (dipped in extreme boiling water) and how only a handful were tough enough to endure it without screaming. The Vizified version of One Piece.... has the inmates' clothing get dipped and them forced to wear it.

The change alters showing how tough and strong-willed those few inmates who didn't scream were, and it lessens the horrors of the World Government and the tortures they inflict on people.

There are countless other examples for tons of mangas. (SK has quite a few) Viz doesn't just need a DBZ Manga Uncensored site, it needs a generalized Viz Mangas Uncensored site.

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[Choujin Daizenshuu]

I support this thread

You forgot to say your name.

[GS7X7]

Later in OP there's an evil pirate who crucifies a group of weak pirates simply for the crime of being afraid of danger.

The point of that scene is to illustrate the cruelty and barbarity of that villain, that he'd insist on hurting innocent people just for the "sin" of "cowardice."

That scene will likely be heavily censored and redone as it's much worse than dunking people in boiling water.

OP will likely last at least 4 more years, who knows what else Oda might create that Viz of America will tremble in fear of showing and then censor "for the good of the fans" or whatever nice-sounding excuse they can manufacture?

And if changes like this aren't noted by the fanbase in a way to make such information viral and accessible, most people will barely know and a generation of fans will grow up not even knowing the version they're watching has been censored out of greed and fear.

Although some of Viz's changes may seem mild and irrelevant, ultimately they lead to other changes which are more important. In the case of Dragon Ball, fans loyal to Viz's version will not even know all of the attack names in the series because of that happened to #16.

People should be able to like and trust a company to the point where if they release something people say, "well this release must be well-done." They shouldn't have to be thinking, "well gee, I wonder what these jerks butchered this time."

[roidrage]

The fact that I was able to get uncensored volumes of both DB and DBZ at the library and was forced to buy censored crap at the bookstore infuriates me. I got all 26 DBZ volumes out of weakness, but when I realized that Yamcha flipping off Tenshinhan had been censored in every version available to purchase, I cut my DB collection short. I'm either getting it as it's meant to be, or not at all.

[Akumaito Beam]

Somebody just create an online petition already before the Hanzo Steels come out.

[Kendamu]

If an uncensored version came out I'd certainly buy the manga again.

[ShinRogafuken]

As wrong as scanlations are, I just don't want to buy the Viz manga because I'm not getting a genuine version of the series. I think Viz should have both an "Edited" and "Uncut" line of their manga series to make everyone happy (as there are plenty of parents and teachers who would vouch for the censorship as well).

[Choujin Daizenshuu]

Later in OP there's an evil pirate who crucifies a group of weak pirates simply for the crime of being afraid of danger.

The point of that scene is to illustrate the cruelty and barbarity of that villain, that he'd insist on hurting innocent people just for the "sin" of "cowardice."

That scene will likely be heavily censored and redone as it's much worse than dunking people in boiling water.

OP will likely last at least 4 more years, who knows what else Oda might create that Viz of America will tremble in fear of showing and then censor "for the good of the fans" or whatever nice-sounding excuse they can manufacture?

And if changes like this aren't noted by the fanbase in a way to make such information viral and accessible, most people will barely know and a generation of fans will grow up not even knowing the version they're watching has been censored out of greed and fear.

Although some of Viz's changes may seem mild and irrelevant, ultimately they lead to other changes which are more important. In the case of Dragon Ball, fans loyal to Viz's version will not even know all of the attack names in the series because of that happened to #16.

People should be able to like and trust a company to the point where if they release something people say, "well this release must be well-done." They shouldn't have to be thinking, "well gee, I wonder what these jerks butchered this time."

You're preaching to the choir, bud. Everybody knows that there is censorship in most of Viz's manga. This isn't 1991 and Viz is not the CIA. Changes and edits will get out to the public. As for people bitching about Viz being a bunch of butchering jerks, it's nothing but spilled milk. Viz will only look at sales figures, not what the whiners want.

As wrong as scanlations are, I just don't want to buy the Viz manga because I'm not getting a genuine version of the series. I think Viz should have both an "Edited" and "Uncut" line of their manga series to make everyone happy (as there are plenty of parents and teachers who would vouch for the censorship as well).

Viz will make more money selling edited JUMP manga to their target demographic. Why waste money on production on unedited manga that will only sell to a few?

[AgitoZ]

As wrong as scanlations are, I just don't want to buy the Viz manga because I'm not getting a genuine version of the series. I think Viz should have both an "Edited" and "Uncut" line of their manga series to make everyone happy (as there are plenty of parents and teachers who would vouch for the censorship as well).

That is still no excuse to get scanlations. If you want to get an "uncut" DB comic, get the original Japanese volumes. Or if you really want to use scanlations at least get the English volumes, so you're at least supporting the author.

Speaking of, I get wanting things uncensored, but the majority of translations online are pretty horrendous. As many liberties as Viz takes, their translations are still satisfactory.

[GS7X7]

"You're preaching to the choir, bud. Everybody knows that there is censorship in most of Viz's manga. This isn't 1991 and Viz is not the CIA. Changes and edits will get out to the public. As for people bitching about Viz being a bunch of butchering jerks, it's nothing but spilled milk. Viz will only look at sales figures, not what the whiners want."

Getting Viz to change would not be impossible but it would be very difficult.

Also, not every fan who buys manga knows it's censored. Not everyone's a hardcore fan who gets online at anime boards and chats with other people. Everyone in the fan circles you hang out at might know though.

[Herms]

As wrong as scanlations are, I just don't want to buy the Viz manga because I'm not getting a genuine version of the series.

I know it's easy for me to say this because I own the kanzenban anyway, but I think this is a considerable overreaction. Yes, censorship sucks, but the actual number of panels Viz censors is miniscule compared to those they leave as-is. And while there are various issues with their translation, on the whole it's pretty decent, and the VizBigs have nice print quality. Whereas DB scanslations all seem to be done by total morons, and more often than not the image quality is dreadful. So which is ultimately more "genuine": a decent translation with nice image quality but a few bits of censorship here and there, or a version that's uncensored but marred on every single page by a crap translation done by people who think "Uubu" is the best way to spell his name, and terrible image quality?

[GS7X7]

The DB scanslations were done in like... the late 90's? I remember a staffer? at PN.com (Vietnamese guy?) was a big scanner and he got interviewed there once about it. (not sure what his name was) Scanslations just weren't what they are today.

So Viz does have the scanners beat (unless new scanners redid the entire series) but it's still a butchered version and paying fans who don't know Japanese are kind of stuck having to settle for lesser quality and censorship with their DB manga fix.

[Pokewhiz7]

You know, I hate censorship. It's wrong, it's a terrible practice, and I think it should be stopped. That being said, the Viz manga is just fine, 99% of the panels are untouched, and even the ones that are touched are usually just boobs.

[AgitoZ]

So Viz does have the scanners beat (unless new scanners redid the entire series) but it's still a butchered version and paying fans who don't know Japanese are kind of stuck having to settle for lesser quality and censorship with their DB manga fix.

Butchered? You're definitely overreacting. I dislike any changes made, but c'mon now. You wanna see something really being butchered? Go and find the original edited brodcast of FUNi's season 3 dub.

[GS7X7]

Lol, well, the Viz manga certainly could be worse but to me pretty much any censorship ruins a manga. I'm probably more fussy about censorship than most.

[Kendamu]

As wrong as scanlations are, I just don't want to buy the Viz manga because I'm not getting a genuine version of the series.

I know it's easy for me to say this because I own the kanzenban anyway, but I think this is a considerable overreaction. Yes, censorship sucks, but the actual number of panels Viz censors is miniscule compared to those they leave as-is. And while there are various issues with their translation, on the whole it's pretty decent, and the VizBigs have nice print quality. Whereas DB scanslations all seem to be done by total morons, and more often than not the image quality is dreadful. So which is ultimately more "genuine": a decent translation with nice image quality but a few bits of censorship here and there, or a version that's uncensored but marred on every single page by a crap translation done by people who think "Uubu" is the best way to spell his name, and terrible image quality?

Don't forget about the image mirroring on most DB scanslations. God forbid someone have to read right-to-left.

[SJR]

As I said before, online petitions aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

Take from that what you will.

[Choujin Daizenshuu]

Getting Viz to change would not be impossible but it would be very difficult.

Also, not every fan who buys manga knows it's censored. Not everyone's a hardcore fan who gets online at anime boards and chats with other people. Everyone in the fan circles you hang out at might know though.

If sometime down the road Viz sees that there is a financial benefit to market the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z manga to older fans who are nostalgic, then there is a good chance we can see them re-released uncut. Right now, we have to take what we get.

And what kind of anime and manga fan in this day and age doesn't know about manga censorship and doesn't frequent fan boards?

[GS7X7]

Getting Viz to change would not be impossible but it would be very difficult.

Also, not every fan who buys manga knows it's censored. Not everyone's a hardcore fan who gets online at anime boards and chats with other people. Everyone in the fan circles you hang out at might know though.

If sometime down the road Viz sees that there is a financial benefit to market the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z manga to older fans who are nostalgic, then there is a good chance we can see them re-released uncut. Right now, we have to take what we get.

And what kind of anime and manga fan in this day and age doesn't know about manga censorship and doesn't frequent fan boards?

The old saying is that the dudes on the boards/sites are the vocal hardcore 5%, while everyone else are the more casual fans. Most people are casual fans, the people on boards like this having lengthy discussions about obscure triva from the show are the more hardcore fans.