My hatred of Dragonball Kai

[dbboxkaifan]

Sorry if reviving a topic is against the rules.

Also how come they could not get the same voice actors for Gohan and Freeza? That really made me mad.

Glad they didn't use those annoying old crappy dub voices, Gohan's not supposed to sound like a raspy old lady nor Freeza as a granny.

If FUNi remained using the old VA's (Gohan/Freeza) on Kai I definitely wouldn't be watching it in English right now (Gohan's upcoming SSJ2 moment).

The funny thing is that uncut DBZ kai has faaaar more swearing than uncut DBZ but has a little less gore.

This outta be enough for blood:
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHH2ZAkYGHk
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTYG5gpUqU4
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9wRFS8Fzic

The swearing bothers you? They cuss in Japanese too, so FUNimation's been trying to make it equal for the dub watcher to enjoy it.

DBZ Kai was the best thing that happened to DBZ in the west regarding the A+ dubbing and soundtrack.

I agree.

Too much blood is never good on an anime/cartoon show because kinds will end up watching it too, sooner or later.

Japan perhaps didn't need Dragon Ball Kai, but US certainly did, they can finally be proud to have a decent/excellent dub (yay, excellent, imo).

[superrayman3]

Also how come they could not get the same voice actors for Gohan and Freeza? That really made me mad.

In regards to Frieza's voice in Kai's dub Chris Sabbat explained in an interview that Linda Young was not cast as Frieza in Kai because her voice was too slow for the pacing of the show this time around. In the old dub days her voice was somewhat suitable because of the slow pace of Z but Kai is a lot faster pace and her voice just couldn't adapt to the faster pace of the plot.

As for Gohan I don't know although I'm glad that Gohan's old voice was replaced (Stephanie Nadolny's voice may fit kid Goku perfectly but not Gohan).

[rs_chaosmaster]

In all honesty I'm glad they replaced both of them!!! Ayres is lord Freeza and Colleen is definitely more suitable for young Gohan!!! I wish they would redub all the Z movies with the Kai voice cast, that would be awesome!! With a more accurate script as well!!

[Jackal puFF]

In all honesty I'm glad they replaced both of them!!! Ayres is lord Freeza and Colleen is definitely more suitable for young Gohan!!! I wish they would redub all the Z movies with the Kai voice cast, that would be awesome!! With a more accurate script as well!!

That's like my dream, Dragonball Kai Movies!

At first glance and listen to Gohan's new voice actor; I was just what the fuck? But overtime it just grew on me. Frieza, I loved right from the get go. The replacement for him was like perfect.

[CaBrPi]

In all honesty I'm glad they replaced both of them!!! Ayres is lord Freeza and Colleen is definitely more suitable for young Gohan!!! I wish they would redub all the Z movies with the Kai voice cast, that would be awesome!! With a more accurate script as well!!

That's like my dream, Dragonball Kai Movies!

At first glance and listen to Gohan's new voice actor; I was just what the fuck? But overtime it just grew on me. Freeza, I loved right from the get go. The replacement for him was like perfect.

You know, the Kai cast did do the first Dragon Ball movie.

[TheBlackPaladin]

At first glance and listen to Gohan's new voice actor; I was just what the fuck? But overtime it just grew on me.

It's my theory that most of the people who claim to "hate" the dub of Kai have watched a grand total of ten minutes of it. Cumulatively. Over the span of a year. In the form of scattered YouTube clips. Everybody who I convince to sit down and watch a few, full-fledged episodes--especially in its uncut format--loves the new dub.

[SylentEcho]

The dub is far superior to the Z dub. My only problem is Sabat's out of place voice. Other than that, all it's missing is the Faulconer score.

Since I'm not a fan of the dub anymore, I'll say that I like Kai, but not better than Z by a long shot. I only like Kai's version of the Freeza fight better. I prefer Z for the rest of the story.

[coola]

I can understand weaker voices, due to age of seiyuu, what i can`t understand, is why Toei lied to viewers, by saying, it`s "Z without filler" sorry, but what can you say, when they get rid of stuff from manga, and leave crap, like Vegeta meeting SSJ Goku on Namek, and SSJ2 Gohan vs Semi-Perfect Cell? If i go to cinema, and pay to watch movie like that, i would demand return of money, for false advertise (I know i overreact a little)

[andrewtuell1991]

I can understand weaker voices, due to age of seiyuu, what i can`t understand, is why Toei lied to viewers, by saying, it`s "Z without filler" sorry, but what can you say, when they get rid of stuff from manga, and leave crap, like Vegeta meeting SSJ Goku on Namek, and SSJ2 Gohan vs Semi-Perfect Cell? If i go to cinema, and pay to watch movie like that, i would demand return of money, for false advertise (I know i overreact a little)

I don't think you're overreacting at all. I feel just the same way. Here's my little breakdown of how i feel about Kai in general:

Eps 1-11 - Just... awful. Leaving in huge amounts of filler (Gregory, Gohan over the Waterfall, the 3 hour wait just to name a few) and omitting entire pages worth of manga. The pacing ranged from what I expected (Ep 3 covering almost 5 chapters ) to slow as hell (Ep 7 covering less than a chapter and Ep 8 just being Ep 21 of Z completely untouched ).

Ep 12-39 - Almost perfect. Could've used a bit more tightening here and there but otherwise what I expected of Kai in the first place.

Ep 40-98 - What happened? It went from being fast paced to being almost as slow as Z. They pretty much stopped with the manga cutting as far as I could tell. But they just left in huge gobs of filler to the point where I honestly didn't see any difference in pacing from Z. Goku vs Freeza was shortened from 19 Eps to 10.5 eps but that's still a double digit number. No anime fight should last more than 5 episodes IMO. And I was deeply disappointed they left in the "Gohan first turning SSJ2 in ROSAT" filler flashback. He did not! He first transformed at the Cell Game. Sheesh did Toei even look at the manga when they where cutting stuff out?

Had it been up to me I would've first started at the beginning of the story instead of a third of the way into just because that's where Toei thought a line should be drawn for the anime. Second, I would've had it been completely reanimated from scratch a la FMA 2009. Third, I would've had the overall pacing ranging form 4 to 5 chapters per episodes (3 if a certain chapter had a lot of talking in it like 197) Finally, I would've hired all that original Japanese voice actors who were still alive to reprise their roles instead of replacing the voices for most of Freeza's men just because they were too chap to hire them back (I can't stand the new JP voice for Dodoria, Zarbon and the Ginyu Tokusentai).

Oh well. It's fun to dream .

[Rocketman]

Seems like most, if not all, criticism of Kai is based on it failing to live up to expectations instead of comparing it to its predecessor.

[thedarkuniter]

My only criticism of Kai, if I have any, is the lack of the Majin Boo saga. Everything else is fine with me.

[Gonstead]

Didn't Gohan turn SSJ and not SSJ2 while in ROSAT?

[CaBrPi]

Didn't Gohan turn SSJ and not SSJ2 while in ROSAT?

There's a filler flashback of Gohan briefly going SSJ2 in the ROSAT.

[Gonstead]

Didn't Gohan turn SSJ and not SSJ2 while in ROSAT?

There's a filler flashback of Gohan briefly going SSJ2 in the ROSAT.

Huh. I don't remember ever seeing that.

[TripleRach]

Seems like most, if not all, criticism of Kai is based on it failing to live up to expectations instead of comparing it to its predecessor.

My criticism of Kai is almost entirely based on comparisons to its predecessor. Inferior acting, music, editing, visual quality, etc. But I've said it all before.

[Attitudefan]

Didn't Gohan turn SSJ and not SSJ2 while in ROSAT?

There's a filler flashback of Gohan briefly going SSJ2 in the ROSAT.

Huh. I don't remember ever seeing that.

Neither do I.

[ohaimynameiserik]

I remember it.

His hair stays black, but the lightning and green eyes are there.

[Gonstead]

I remember it.

His hair stays black, but the lightning and green eyes are there.

Which episode in Z did it originally come from? I might remember if I watched it.

[Travis Touchdown]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADIMuzGtx0

He makes the full transformation for a whole second.

[Gonstead]

Huh, I swear when I was younger there were no lightning bolts whenver I watched that scene and I watched a lot of DBZ when I was younger.