No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Bussani » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:38 am

A whole more what? A meter squared is a measurement of area, not length. 1m² isn't "longer" than 1m.
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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Senzu_Bean » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:44 am

Kaboom wrote:Obviously. It's Vegetto. I don't know why this is still a question.
:lol: Pretty much. But still isn't there much, much more to Goku and Vegeta than just battle power? They're humans/Saiyans. The result should be far more than just number times number. They aren't just numbers walking around. That is why Goku times Vegeta (or Vegeta times Goku) sounds better than Goku's BP times Vegeta's BP.

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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by hleV » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:48 am

Bussani wrote:A whole more what? A meter squared is a measurement of area, not length. 1m² isn't "longer" than 1m.
Isn't longer, is bigger.

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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Bussani » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:57 am

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Bussani wrote:A whole more what? A meter squared is a measurement of area, not length. 1m² isn't "longer" than 1m.
Isn't longer, is bigger.
How "big" is a meter? And how much bigger than that is a square meter?
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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Fox666 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:02 am

Is 1 meter bigger than 1 hour? Is 1 watt greater than 1°C?

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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by hleV » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:04 am

I didn't mean bigger in a litteral sense, but obviously a is somewhat inferior to . So BP² is, well, better than BP.
Fox666 wrote:Is 1 meter bigger than 1 hour? Is 1 watt greater than 1°C?
I get it, you're a troll.
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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Fox666 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:05 am

Really? A 3D scale is greater than 2D?
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Fox666 wrote:Is 1 meter bigger than 1 hour? Is 1 watt greater than 1°C?
I get it, you're a troll.
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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Bussani » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:10 am

hleV wrote:Stop trolling. I didn't mean bigger in a litteral sense, but obviously a is somewhat inferior to . So BP² is, well, better than BP.
So 1 meter is inferior to 1 square meter? Inferior how? It's comparing apples and oranges.

No one's trying to troll anyone.
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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by hleV » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:15 am

I still think I'm being trolled.

So what are you saying? That xBP is better or equal to xBP²?
While they're not really the same thing, I still find it obvious that BP² is somehow better than BP.
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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Fox666 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:17 am

Which one of the following is "bigger"?

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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Bussani » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:24 am

hleV wrote:So what are you saying? That xBP is better or equal to xBP²?
I'm saying that one's an apple and the other is an orange. You literally can't compare them. It's like asking if a meter is better or equal to a square meter, which makes no sense because they're not measurements of the same thing. If BP is a measure of ki power, BP² would be a measure of something we don't even have a name for.
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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Fox666 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:34 am

Bussani wrote:BP² would be a measure or something we don't even have a name for.
The Ki of a Potara fusion? Supposedly we should still be able to compare Vegetto and Kaioshin with these units.

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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by lash » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:47 am

hleV wrote:I still think I'm being trolled.

So what are you saying? That xBP is better or equal to xBP²?
While they're not really the same thing, I still find it obvious that BP² is somehow better than BP.

It might be 'better' if we're looking at it in another dimension, where Bp^2 can be explained or exists.

Since it can't or doesn't....while looking at it in BP, Vegetto wouldn't appear any stronger than Goku or Vegeta.
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BP^2 might explain why Vegetto retains his power even when his form changes(turned into a candy). I guess? Maybe.
Only issue is his power when seen as a one dimensional BP wouldn't be very impressive at all. Goku's BP x Vegeta's BP = Vegetto's BP just doesn't seem to work all things considered.
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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by hleV » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:48 pm

I'm just sticking with Vegetto's BP being Goku's BP multiplied by the amount of BP Vegeta has (not by BP, but by the number), or vice-versa. Like, if Gotenks is Trunks * 5, the "5" isn't BP, just a number. So Potara, instead of a constant number, took the number from one of the fusee's BP.
Now, why BP? BP is Scouters-exclusive unit to measure ki. Why would Potara use the very same units? So maybe the SEG didn't actually provide us the Potara fusion formula, but rather how strong Vegetto happened to become when Goku and Vegeta fused?

It still remains a mistery, and all we know is that Vegetto is much stronger than anyone else.

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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:57 pm

In a nutshell, we should just forget about all this mathematical crap in a series that obviously doesn't care about that stuff, and just say that Vegetto is stronger than the sum of Goku and Vegeta and surpasses Gohan-Boo.
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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Super Vegito » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:11 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:In a nutshell, we should just forget about all this mathematical crap in a series that obviously doesn't care about that stuff, and just say that Vegetto is stronger than the sum of Goku and Vegeta and surpasses Gohan-Boo.
What this guy said, seriously.

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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Rocketman » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:08 pm

Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto.

The only problem is with people refusing to see this truth.

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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by hleV » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:14 pm

Rocketman wrote:Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto.

The only problem is with people refusing to see this truth.
Ofc. it's Vegetto = Goku x Vegeta. We're just trying to figure out the details of this multiplication.

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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Perfect » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:21 pm

How? Vegetto's too strong for math particles to even retain sense around his aura.
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Re: No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

Post by Bussani » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:42 pm

hleV wrote:So maybe the SEG didn't actually provide us the Potara fusion formula, but rather how strong Vegetto happened to become when Goku and Vegeta fused?
That's what I like to think.
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Bussani wrote:BP² would be a measure or something we don't even have a name for.
The Ki of a Potara fusion? Supposedly we should still be able to compare Vegetto and Kaioshin with these units.
I guess so!
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