Piccolo stronger than Super Saiya-jin Goten & Trunks?

SonGohan-san · Post by **SonGohan-san** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:59 pm

Whatever. The point I was making was that I didn't think fusions multiplied the two persons PLs. So whether it was 42,000 or 52,000 as well as 1220 or 3500 is kinda pointless when you consider that the end result was still ridiculous and made the same illustration.

Of course, this was all before Dai made the point that Namekian fusions may be different than the Buu Saga fusions. Anyways...

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:28 pm

I know...I was supporting you.

My point was Freeza had 1 mil in stage 2. If fusion multiplied the PLs, Piccolo post fusion'd be enough to take on Cell.

SonGohan-san · Post by **SonGohan-san** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:35 pm

Sorry, I thought you were making an issue over the levels being off. I'm not a very good reader, sometimes

ah, who am I kidding? Being a bad reader is tragic

My bad, though.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:19 pm

No worries. As long as we remember stick together and insult EX's manhood, all is well.

Just teasing, EX: We know you have no manhood to speak of. BURN!
That's right. I went there.

Manga Ka Kyo! · Post by **Manga Ka Kyo!** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:25 am

The answer to your question is that Gotenks, a level 3 ssj, plus Piccilo, plus himself (Boo), put Boo over the top in his Gohan fight. Once that power went away, Goku a ssj3 or Mystic Gohan could over power Boo who, meshed only with Piccolo and Goten and Trunks (who were no longer dominent), wasn't a match. Piccilo is stronger than a ssj after he merged with Kami, and Goten and Trunks by themselves are new ssj1's so it makes sense that Piccilo would dominate.

The S · Post by **The S** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:47 am

Maybe the reason he had Piccolo take over is because Goten & Trunks are about the same PL, and he couldn't choose which one to take...

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:18 am

Maybe the reason he had Piccolo take over is because Goten & Trunks are about the same PL, and he couldn't choose which one to take...

Piccolo became more dominant than Goten+Trunks because they were exhausted and in non-SSJ as a result of the SSJ3 Fusion wearing off. There's no way in hell that either of them at their weakest is stronger than Piccolo, which is why he became more dominant.

Jakez04 · Post by **Jakez04** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:47 pm

Piccolo would beat Goten & Trunks like if they stole his chicken sandwich on a sunday. When Piccolo fused back with Kami he power level became a bit more greater than a Super Saiyan.

Gohan-kun · Post by **Gohan-kun** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:47 pm

"Goku a ssj3 or Mystic Gohan could over power Boo who, meshed only with Piccolo and Goten and Trunks (who were no longer dominent), wasn't a match"

False. Only Gohan was able to beat Piccolo Boo. Two quotes:

1. *After Boo reverts to Piccolo Boo, Goku powers down*. "Thats too bad isn't it Boo. Now that you're in that form, Gohan can beat you, without going through the trouble of fusing with me." If Goku could have done it, he would have said so, or he would have just taken him out instead of powering down so quickly.

2. Goku can't even beat Super Boo 1 with SSJ2 Vegeta's help so how could he beat a stronger form. Goku states he and Vegeta are no match for Super Boo 1. The only way they can beat him is if they fuse.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:24 pm

Note that you're going by the anime and not the manga where Goku+Vegeta never fought Super Majin Boo.

Also, he says that about Gohan to give a reference of how weak BOO is, not himself.

Gohan-kun · Post by **Gohan-kun** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 5:12 pm

"Note that you're going by the anime and not the manga where Goku+Vegeta never fought Super Majin Boo.

Also, he says that about Gohan to give a reference of how weak BOO is, not himself."

I never said they fought. In both manga and anime, Goku states that even though Boo has returned to normal, they still can't beat him UNLESS they fuse. That means Super Boo 1 > SSJ3 Goku+SSJ2 Vegeta. How can SSJ3 Goku beat Piccolo Boo when he can't even beat Super Boo 1 with Vegeta's help?

And if it were a reference to how weak Boo is, that would mean Goku is implying he's stronger than Gohan which is false. He said it because only Gohan could beat him. If Goku could do it, he would have said so. Doesn't make sense for him to only say "Gohan can beat you."

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:17 pm

When does he ever say nobody other than Gohan is a match for Super Boo? He only saw Gotenks-Boo and Piccolo-Boo at that point.

Gohan-kun · Post by **Gohan-kun** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:43 pm

Dayspring wrote:When does he ever say nobody other than Gohan is a match for Super Boo? He only saw Gotenks-Boo and Piccolo-Boo at that point.

Inside Super Boo's head, after freeing their friends, they are about to attempt to blow a hole through Boo's head and escape, but Goku states that no matter how much boo may have returned to normal, even at that, they still don't have the power to beat him. Vegeta pretty much agrees and asks what they should do. Goku then states that the only method by which they can win is fusion. So if SSJ3 Goku +SSJ2 Vegeta < Super Boo 1, theres no chance in hell SSJ3 Goku > Piccolo Boo. And like I said before, if he was stronger, he would have taken him quickly, or he would have said so.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:38 am

I'm starting to hate this argument. The Boo saga is just plothole heaven. Also, Goku's just scolding him for destroying to Potara since, if they NEED to, they can no longer fuse. I think originally you'd be write, but Toriyama slipped in the whole "Actually in SSJ3 I can whoop Boo!" as a plot twist and just threw caution to the wind since he was stopping in about 10 chapters.

Gohan-kun · Post by **Gohan-kun** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:35 pm

Dayspring wrote:I'm starting to hate this argument. The Boo saga is just plothole heaven. Also, Goku's just scolding him for destroying to Potara since, if they NEED to, they can no longer fuse. I think originally you'd be write, but Toriyama slipped in the whole "Actually in SSJ3 I can whoop Boo!" as a plot twist and just threw caution to the wind since he was stopping in about 10 chapters.

Well Goku knows Super Boo's strength. And Vegeta agrees that they are weaker than Super Boo 1. He's weaker than Super Boo, but he says he could have most likely beaten the Fat Boo.