Nicktoons to Air DBGT in North America (Confirmed)

[Gonstead]

Funimation could of done this with Bit by Bit.

Sorry, but...

I'm pretty sure I've seen you make this mistake a couple of times recently, so I don't think it's a typo.

It's supposed to be "could've". It's a contraction of "could have". "Could of" doesn't mean anything. Again, sorry, but it's just a pet peeve of mine, and it seems you (as a mind numbingly large number of others) think it is the wrong thing.

-_- fine, I'll fix it.

[TheBlackPaladin]

One Piece would never air unedited on Nicktoons during prime time. I think the thing that would keep it from airing most is probably the guns, to be honest.

It probably wouldn't air unedited, but I think it could be edited within reason if it's done to the standards of Nicktoons. After all, let's not forget that in episode 1 of Kai, the scene where Farmer With Shotgun shoots Raditz aired with no visual edits. There were some dialogue changes, but nothing huge, and they didn't add moaning after he was shot like they did in the Toonzai version. Furthermore, I've seen a couple Nickelodeons-edited episodes before where they blatantly used guns.

EDIT: "sidesteps" changed to "episodes." WOW. No idea how I missed that one--sorry!

[Ashura]

I wonder if the amount of guns is too much, though; I guess they could say only badguys use guns in One Piece. Do any of the Straw Hats ever use guns?

Also, those character trailers are great marketing. Show glimpses of the cool bits of GT so that kids don't get too bored with the space adventure stuff. (Though, personally, the space adventure is my favorite part.)

[Scarz]

I wonder if the amount of guns is too much, though; I guess they could say only badguys use guns in One Piece. Do any of the Straw Hats ever use guns?

The only time I recall any of the Straw Hats using guns was during the movie "Strong World". But I'm not a diehard One Piece fan so I could be wrong.

[dbboxkaifan]

Concerning the opening, It is possible to cut Dan Dan down to 1 minute.

Blue Water GT opening - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPDP3S4dYcY

Funimation could've done this with Bit by Bit.

Blue Water's Dub is quite good, I personally like it, but a lot of the OP's dialogue was skipped and just felt incomplete.

[JulieYBM]

I wonder if the amount of guns is too much, though; I guess they could say only badguys use guns in One Piece. Do any of the Straw Hats ever use guns?

Some times in promo art, but otherwise no. The Marines use them all the time, though.

[VegettoEX]

Anyone point this out yet from the Nicktoons page for the series?



Certainly ties right back in with how I think we've determined that FUNimation's dub of the series never explicitly gives a time frame, but their marketing surrounding it does.

(SEE ALSO: "Perfect File" books placing the series five years after the end of DBZ; check out Herms' timeline info for details)

[sailorspazz]

Certainly ties right back in with how I think we've determined that FUNimation's dub of the series never explicitly gives a time frame, but their marketing surrounding it does.

Yeah, though they never explicitly stated it was 10 years later in the dub, there were lines of dialogue implying it (Vegeta scoffing at Bra's actions one time and saying "Teenagers," even though Bra can only be either 8 or 10, depending on the source). It's unfortunate that Funimation has been helping to spread this incorrect information, since it's long been a pet peeve of mine that people assume GT happens 10 years after Z, which was happening before Funimation even got involved.

As for comments earlier in the thread noting the lack of additional editing to remove "kill", "die", and blood, I think it's pretty clear that the only reason Nicktoons Kai was being so heavily edited was so they wouldn't have to make additional edits for the Toonzai version. I mean, they've been showing the Z movies on Nicktoons with pretty light editing (I heard them leave mentions of "Hell" intact), so there's no reason that GT would require edits in addition to those made for Cartoon Network back in the day.

[TheBlackPaladin]

As for comments earlier in the thread noting the lack of additional editing to remove "kill", "die", and blood, I think it's pretty clear that the only reason Nicktoons Kai was being so heavily edited was so they wouldn't have to make additional edits for the Toonzai version. I mean, they've been showing the Z movies on Nicktoons with pretty light editing (I heard them leave mentions of "Hell" intact), so there's no reason that GT would require edits in addition to those made for Cartoon Network back in the day.

Hmm...so, that would mean that a lot of the editing on the Nicktoons-censored Kai dub was "anticipatory editing," rather than edits they were ordered to make. Interesting...

[funrush]

I wonder if the amount of guns is too much, though; I guess they could say only badguys use guns in One Piece. Do any of the Straw Hats ever use guns?

The only time I recall any of the Straw Hats using guns was during the movie "Strong World". But I'm not a diehard One Piece fan so I could be wrong.

Not unless you count Usopp and his slingshot. Actually, now that I think about it, I could've sworn that Nami used a pistol in some early episodes/chapters. I have a feeling I'm wrong, though.

[sailorspazz]

Hmm...so, that would mean that a lot of the editing on the Nicktoons-censored Kai dub was "anticipatory editing," rather than edits they were ordered to make. Interesting...

That's the impression I got. In the early part of the Nicktoons airing they allowed some instances of "kill" and "die". Once the show also started airing on Toonzai, suddenly ALL death related words were gone (Even things like "he's still alive" were changed, apparently because that implied that someone could have died )

At least Nicktoons didn't go as far as having blue Popo....

[Ashura]

I wonder if the amount of guns is too much, though; I guess they could say only badguys use guns in One Piece. Do any of the Straw Hats ever use guns?

The only time I recall any of the Straw Hats using guns was during the movie "Strong World". But I'm not a diehard One Piece fan so I could be wrong.

Not unless you count Usopp and his slingshot. Actually, now that I think about it, I could've sworn that Nami used a pistol in some early episodes/chapters. I have a feeling I'm wrong, though.

I'm only through about episode 80, and the 'good guys' really don't use guns that much so far. I know that's a drop in the bucket for One Piece, but hey.

That's the impression I got. In the early part of the Nicktoons airing they allowed some instances of "kill" and "die". Once the show also started airing on Toonzai, suddenly ALL death related words were gone (Even things like "he's still alive" were changed, apparently because that implied that someone could have died )

This seems to make sense from a dialogue recording point of view; isn't the Toonzai version edited more harshly toward visuals though?

[sailorspazz]

This seems to make sense from a dialogue recording point of view; isn't the Toonzai version edited more harshly toward visuals though?

I haven't seen all of the Toonzai episodes (my DVR said "fuck this" and stopped recording the Toonzai version, even as it continued to record the Nicktoons episodes ), but I recall reading about both visual AND dialogue changes made for Toonzai. If the overediting wasn't for Toonzai, perhaps it was just to make more differences between the cut and uncut so the uncut DVDs were more "worth it"? Looking at other shows that air on Nicktoons such as Avatar, they clearly didn't need to edit as heavily as they did, and the airing of lightly edited DBZ movies and GT proves that there was some other reason besides the network's broadcasting standards dictating their editing decisions. Whether it was for Toonzai, to sell more DVDs, or something else entirely, I guess we can't be sure. To me, the Toonzai explanation makes the most sense, though. Why edit the show twice for two different network's standards when you can just edit once and be done with it?

[Hellspawn28]

I can't believe they used the GT rap intro, this 2012 not 2003? I always thought they created the GT rap because they wanted to make GT seem hip and make it feel like it's the next generation (When really GT been out for half decade in Japan at the time, so it's not that new). Why didn't they use this intro instead?

[dbboxkaifan]

I can't believe they used the GT rap intro, this 2012 not 2003? I always thought they created the GT rap because they wanted to make GT seem hip and make it feel like it's the next generation (When really GT been out for half decade in Japan at the time, so it's not that new). Why didn't they use this intro instead?

The music used in the Episodes/NEPs is US's Mark Menza not the original, so even if they used Bit by Bit, they'd notice the musical differences.

I wish they would've aired the remastered FUNimation dub with the original music since words like "die", "death", "kill" and "hell" are acceptable (some of these may not but hell is certainly allowed).

Ah, yes, Hellspawn28, that's Blue Water's Dub of GT (Canada), not FUNi's (US).

[TheBlackPaladin]

I can't believe they used the GT rap intro, this 2012 not 2003? I always thought they created the GT rap because they wanted to make GT seem hip and make it feel like it's the next generation (When really GT been out for half decade in Japan at the time, so it's not that new). Why didn't they use this intro instead?

Because, as that was not dubbed by them, they don't have the rights to it. Not to mention that FUNimation already had edited footage on their hands, none of which had the original music or the newly-dubbed songs.

[SaiyamanMS]

While I understand that having a pre-edited version already done makes it easy for them to just hand it over, I don't see how having the Japanese music for this broadcast would be any more difficult than the dub w/ Japanese music tracks for the season sets. Rather than taking the uncut version with Japanese music and re-editing that, why can't they take the edited footage and re-edit the music on it?

Not that it's really relevant to me in any way as I own the GT season sets and don't live in America anyway, but still.

[TheBlackPaladin]

While I understand that having a pre-edited version already done makes it easy for them to just hand it over, I don't see how having the Japanese music for this broadcast would be any more difficult than the dub w/ Japanese music tracks for the season sets. Rather than taking the uncut version with Japanese music and re-editing that, why can't they take the edited footage and re-edit the music on it?

Not that it's really relevant to me in any way as I own the GT season sets and don't live in America anyway, but still.

When we say they can't, we mean that literally--they can't. On a technical level. They can't take the edited footage and re-edit the Japanese music into it, because on their edited footage, there is only one audio track. And that one audio track would be the edited dialogue, synced to the edited visuals, with the Mark Menza score. They have no technical way of just switching the music over, because on their edited footage, the audio track for the Japanese music no longer exists. The only footage that has the Japanese music would be their uncut footage. Which is why, if they wanted to include the original Japanese music, they would have to re-edit and re-sync the footage from scratch.

And...well, as much as I would have loved to have seen GT with Tokunaga's score, there's no way they would make a financial return on any re-editing efforts. So it would make no financial sense, and therefore, would be a pointless effort.

[Android 50]

Haha that "grand tour" intro brings back memories. I remember when everyone at school was telling me Ice Cube was the rapper for that song.

[SaiyamanMS]

When we say they can't, we mean that literally--they can't. On a technical level. They can't take the edited footage and re-edit the Japanese music into it, because on their edited footage, there is only one audio track. And that one audio track would be the edited dialogue, synced to the edited visuals, with the Mark Menza score. They have no technical way of just switching the music over, because on their edited footage, the audio track for the Japanese music no longer exists. The only footage that has the Japanese music would be their uncut footage. Which is why, if they wanted to include the original Japanese music, they would have to re-edit and re-sync the footage from scratch.

I'm not saying it'd be just as simple as bada bing bada boom, but wouldn't re-editing the audio track (from scratch if necessary) be much easier than editing the footage from scratch?