Perfect wrote:Okay, I guess that isn't all I have left to say, round 2; fight!
I. Gohan's only shown he's faster in his SSJ2 state. The Z-senshi could easily assume seeing that power ups are generally proportionate in attributes.
II. We've talked in a wide variety, you're not helping yourself here.
III. We're given no indication that being transformed would be an issue in the slightest when masking it down. The user may not be able to mask it to zero, because mathematically that wouldn't make sense, but there should be very wide ranges where it's acceptable. We don't need a statement when everyone's thinking Cell > Gohan. Again you act as if it's a fact that he's going "all out" in terms of his absolute power, which you stated was subjective; contradicting yourself much? He can easily be holding back speed in relativity to his absolute power. Freeza was able to suppress his power and go "all out" based on that percentage.
No you see, the anime doesn't count to you. You also jump to conclusions way too easily. I was speaking in retrospective to how they compared, maybe you should actually take the time to think before posting in reply to something that simple. I'm not stating it shatters the manga's canon of interpretations, but the manga's interpretations implied to the anime as it's its own canon.
Your last sentence was completely redundant.
I really don't want to continue this much longer, because it's becoming the exact same thing as Paikuhan vs Cell.
Sure we havn't been told that transforming masks it impossible to mask one's power, but given that transformations greatly increase one's power it seems unlikely that one could mask it during one. And as I keep saying, we're never given any indication that Gohan was masking his power anyway.
And no, I am not contradicting myself, I am simply stating my opinions. It may come across to you like I'm treating my opinions as fact, but that's why I've tried to point out that this is a subjective argument and both of us are just clashing opinions. It's my opinion that Cell was at full speed, because I think it doesn't make sense to go "all out" while suppressed, and your opinion is the opposite. Neither being fact.
The anime isn't canon to the manga, and as such it only counts when talking about the anime universe. What do you mean, I'm jumping to conclusions too easily?