What Would You Have Added/Changed?

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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by paperbowser » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:12 am

Fox666 wrote:
paperbowser wrote:So you're saying that despite Freeza reaching his final form, he's the only one that can increase his strength by powering up? No, what I'm saying is that you're being irrational.
Will you keep repeating yourself over a dead subject? I tought me and Perfect made an agreement. (And I really doubt the reason has been any close to you in this thread)
It isn't a dead topic until now.
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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by Fox666 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:22 am

Wohaa, I don't remeber writing that. May I ask for a moderator check the edit log of my posts? That might not even be necessary, it's not like the others members wouldn't notice if I really said something like that.

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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by Saiga » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:27 am

Perfect wrote:Okay, I guess that isn't all I have left to say, round 2; fight!

I. Gohan's only shown he's faster in his SSJ2 state. The Z-senshi could easily assume seeing that power ups are generally proportionate in attributes.

II. We've talked in a wide variety, you're not helping yourself here.

III. We're given no indication that being transformed would be an issue in the slightest when masking it down. The user may not be able to mask it to zero, because mathematically that wouldn't make sense, but there should be very wide ranges where it's acceptable. We don't need a statement when everyone's thinking Cell > Gohan. Again you act as if it's a fact that he's going "all out" in terms of his absolute power, which you stated was subjective; contradicting yourself much? He can easily be holding back speed in relativity to his absolute power. Freeza was able to suppress his power and go "all out" based on that percentage.

No you see, the anime doesn't count to you. You also jump to conclusions way too easily. I was speaking in retrospective to how they compared, maybe you should actually take the time to think before posting in reply to something that simple. I'm not stating it shatters the manga's canon of interpretations, but the manga's interpretations implied to the anime as it's its own canon.

Your last sentence was completely redundant.
I really don't want to continue this much longer, because it's becoming the exact same thing as Paikuhan vs Cell.

Sure we havn't been told that transforming masks it impossible to mask one's power, but given that transformations greatly increase one's power it seems unlikely that one could mask it during one. And as I keep saying, we're never given any indication that Gohan was masking his power anyway.

And no, I am not contradicting myself, I am simply stating my opinions. It may come across to you like I'm treating my opinions as fact, but that's why I've tried to point out that this is a subjective argument and both of us are just clashing opinions. It's my opinion that Cell was at full speed, because I think it doesn't make sense to go "all out" while suppressed, and your opinion is the opposite. Neither being fact.

The anime isn't canon to the manga, and as such it only counts when talking about the anime universe. What do you mean, I'm jumping to conclusions too easily?
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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by Fox666 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:30 am

Saiga wrote:I really don't want to continue this much longer, because it's becoming the exact same thing as Paikuhan vs Cell.
Touché! Even the "I prove you wrong! You wrong!!" managed to get in there.

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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by Perfect » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:37 am

As I've stated, his power could be masked in a variety seeing that it's plausible based on everyone's reactions,

Gohan post-transformation - 10
Cell full power - 15
Gohan post transformation attacking/angry/serious/etc. - 40

That's how I see it.

Neither is the manga canon to the anime a lot of the times. The fact is this board is created for all in universe discussions, which includes the anime. I was merely stating how they compare. Saying that stating the anime shatters the manga's subjective qualities at certain points is wrong because it doesn't count, is jumping to conclusions too readily instead of thinking it over, why would I suddenly bring up the anime in a conclusion post to state it shatters the manga's subjective nature if I'm apparently making an effort to say it counts? Especially when I wasn't exclaiming whether or not it counted, just comparing.
Touché! Even the "I prove you wrong! You wrong!!" managed to get in there.
Ironically more so from the argument between you and Paperbowser... Granted I have no idea what that argument was even about. Though Pikkon and Cell's thread is far greater seeing the exhausting amount of work put into all the posts.
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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by Fox666 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:47 am

Perfect wrote:Granted I have no idea what that argument was even about.
I am not sure either. Apparently he got mad at something I said. But he was also pointing at me in the other thread...

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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by Saiga » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:59 am

Perfect wrote: Neither is the manga canon to the anime a lot of the times. The fact is this board is created for all in universe discussions, which includes the anime. I was merely stating how they compare. Saying that stating the anime shatters the manga's subjective qualities at certain points is wrong because it doesn't count, is jumping to conclusions too readily instead of thinking it over, why would I suddenly bring up the anime in a conclusion post to state it shatters the manga's subjective nature if I'm apparently making an effort to say it counts? Especially when I wasn't exclaiming whether or not it counted, just comparing.
If that's the case I misunderstood your initial comment about it, my apologies.
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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by paperbowser » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:55 am

Fox666 wrote:Wohaa, I don't remeber writing that. May I ask for a moderator check the edit log of my posts? That might not even be necessary, it's not like the others members wouldn't notice if I really said something like that.
You deleted it.

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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by Fox666 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:03 am

paperbowser wrote:
Fox666 wrote:Your a diabetic and you cant find your insulin needles because you are an american
Out of this offensive quote you've made before, tell me... Where are you from? It'd help me understand what I would change about Dbz in your country.
I am not pleased that after my one week vacation from this forum, a moderator didn't said anything about, since as far I am concerned forumboard softwares keep a log of deleted messages.

Maybe I shouldn't go back to this, but unfortunately I can't let the other members think I said something like that when I didn't, I just can't.

1 - The user paperbowser did not fill the "Location" information on his profile, thus the only person who possible know that he is american is... himself.

2 - If that was true, why he didn't quote it when I posted it? Am I supposed to believe he forget to quote it, but still keep it in a text file?

3 - That was written with a very distinct manner, far different from the way I write.

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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:29 am

I'd incorporate my fanon theories and backstories into the main story. I also think Toriyama could have done more with Trunks' story, so I'd have made it 3 chapters long as opposed to the single chapter we got. And I'd try not to fuck up with timeline inconsistencies and instead have some kind of reference book present when making the chapters.

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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by TripleRach » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:35 am

Fox666 wrote:I am not pleased that after my one week vacation from this forum, a moderator didn't said anything about, since as far I am concerned forumboard softwares keep a log of deleted messages.

Maybe I shouldn't go back to this, but unfortunately I can't let the other members think I said something like that when I didn't, I just can't.
The logs do show when people delete their posts, and indeed there was no log of you deleting a complete post. But the logs don't show when someone edits a line out of their own post, unless someone has already posted after them. So I don't know who really said what, and it's basically your word against his. But he's been in enough trouble himself for other things.
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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by Fox666 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:45 am

Thank you! For the matter, he said himself above that I deleted the post:
paperbowser wrote:You deleted it.
Other than that, the line "Last edited by" should be visible. While depending on how fast I could have edited a message it might not be visible for everyone, the administrators can see it no matter what and check the date.

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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by Goten Forever » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:20 am

Kuririn Of Orin wrote: I wish we got to see Launchs reaction to being told Tenshinhan was dead (if she even was which she probably wasn't). I can just think of the endless possibilities.
Like, when she finds out she points a gun at herself, then someone tries to cheer her up with flowers (LOL) and she sneezes and points the gun at everyone else.

I'd have liked to expand on the relationship between Trunks and Goten, and some insight onto the years between Z and GT, the growing up of Goten, the scholarship advances of Gohan, Chi-chi's midlife crisis.
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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by matt0044 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:11 pm

In terms of character development, I would've added a few scenes such as when the surviving Z-fighters are picked up by Roshi, Bulma, Chi Chi and Karin and taken to recover Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Piccolo's bodies. Before Kuririn tells Bulma not to cry, I would've have written a scenario like this (or suggested it to Toriyama had I been his editor):

Goku: (weakly) Hey, Gramps.

RoshI: Yeah, Goku.

Goku: I know. I now know who killed my Grandpa Gohan. It... was me.

Roshi, Bulma and Kuririn are surprised by this.

Goku: That Saiyan used some strange ball of light that I think was suppose to act like a moon and changed into a giant ape monster. Like the one that trashed the Tenkaichi Budokai I first enter during the finals against you after I blacked out. The one that leveled Pilaf's castle. The one... that killed my Grandpa. It was all my fault.

Roshi: (solemnly) Yes. That monster was you. We didn't want you to figure it out or you'd be devastated. But take my advice and don't beat yourself up over it. You were never really that monster and that monster was never really you. You had no control over yourself in that state so you couldn't help it. Your Grandpa knew this but still loved you.

Goku: (smiles) You're right.

It would've been a good way to follow up on his realization against Vegeta.

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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by Attitudefan » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:50 pm

^ I like it but then again, in context of what was going on, it seems kind of... out there.
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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by DBZ Mick » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:23 am

Fired Toriyama's editor during the Aritifical Human/Cell arc.

Something about that arc, just doesn't flow well... At least a majority of it barring when Cell first appears and the Cell Game.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

Superman in an orange Gi was the bastard son of FUNimation. Its not The real character, it is as false as Chatku.

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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by Saiga » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:54 am

DBZ Mick wrote:Fired Toriyama's editor during the Aritifical Human/Cell arc.

Something about that arc, just doesn't flow well... At least a majority of it barring when Cell first appears and the Cell Game.
That would have changed nothing.

A lot of the changes in the AH/Cell Arc were influenced by Toriyama's previous editor, he wasn't actually his editor at the time.
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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by NANLIT » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:00 am

I believe it was both. His first editor didn't like 19 and 20 and then didn't like 17 and 18 and then his second editor didn't like Cell's first form or his second form.

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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by In Brightest Day » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:52 am

I was always disappointed that Akira Toriyama never did the epic Vegeta/Piccolo fight in the series. Missed opportunity to say the least.

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Re: What Would You Have Added/Changed?

Post by Michsi » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:37 am

In Brightest Day wrote:I was always disappointed that Akira Toriyama never did the epic Vegeta/Piccolo fight in the series. Missed opportunity to say the least.
Definetely, especially since there seemed to be enough friction between them in the beginning.

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