GT as Manga

[NovaSayajinGoku]

As you know GT is not very popular. Because Minoru Okazaki and Toei made ​​GT. Toriyama has acted only as consultants.

What if Toriyama would make a manga about Dragonball GT? With the changes, improvements and more Toriyama style.

Would make a manga by Akira Toriyama, Dragon Ball GT might be better?

[VegettoEX]

I don't think there's a whole lot of down-to-Earth fans that outright dismiss DBGT on principle just because Akira Toriyama didn't write the entire thing himself. It's not the lack of Toriyama, but the lack of quality in pretty much every area that drags it down.

I, like many other fans, think there are a ton of great ideas in DBGT (Goku being turned back into a child and repercussions for over-using the Dragon Balls, just for starters). Could a lot of it be done better had Toriyama been involved? Well, that's actually something we talked about when we started up the "DBGT Review of Awesomeness" on our podcast. At the time it was being produced (1995), no, I don't think full-on control by Toriyama could have saved the project -- he was over-worked, looking to be done, and was no longer giving it his all.

Were he to come back to it NOW, so many years later...? Yeah, I'd be totally down for that. Give him time to refresh, form some new ideas... yeah, absolutely!

[Fox666]

Toriyama is quite the lazy type, so I doubt he would put any effort to remake something (especially today, which probably everything would be done by Ooishi Naho). Toriyama also tought of the story of each chapter during the weekly release, thus it is very unlikely he would be re-thinking an existing story.

Besides what VegettoEX said about the quality of GT, it has never been given much room to exist. The end of Dragon Ball manga doesn't help a sequel: 10 years later Goku is an elder, Vegeta is redempted, Gohan is retired from battles, etc.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I'd still be somewhat skeptical of a GT manga written by even a refreshed Toriyama, who's hardly a grandmaster of storytelling.

However, I haven't even watched GT in full, so who am I to say anything? I guess I'm just going by what I've heard other say, some clips that I've seen and personal judgement that a series post-Z still following the adventures of an ageing yet ridiculously strong Gokuu and Vegeta and his slacker kids may still feel like it's just stacked upon, rather than a sequel, and could come off as milking the cash cow for every last drop.

Perhaps the real question is: Did DB really need a sequel in the first place? Nerfing Gokuu back into a kid can only go so far, and some people aren't even happy with that concept itself, for perfectly valid reasons. And the power progression hadn't gotten so high that it's hard to even think of an villain that could still realistically keep up with the heroes. I know that DB is all about being ridiculous, but it comes to a certain point where it's like beating a dead horse, it's not even remotely fun anymore because you've seen it all before, and there's arguably not much more to do with the series.

Maybe a prequel of some sort is a better idea. Tons of unexplored ideas there.

[Fox666]

and could come off as milking the cash cow for every last drop.

Well, I can't say that's not actually true...

Perhaps the real question is: Did DB really need a sequel in the first place?

Many would say the manga shouldn't had gone as far as it has.

[ManyFaces]

Did DB really need a sequel? No. Did DB need to be created? No. It all comes down to Toriyama wanting to and fans, like us, supporting him.

A GT-like manga created by AT couldn't be much better than the original, in my opinion. Like VegettoEX said, he was overworked and running out of ideas -- I think the Boo arc can vouch for that. Now if you're talking about AT starting up the franchise again by redoing the GT series or creating a GT-like series then yes, I think it would be way better.

[Herms]

As you know GT is not very popular. Because Minoru Okazaki and Toei made ​​GT.

Minoru Okazaki was series director for the original DB anime and producer for DBZ, but he wasn't involved in GT.

[Fox666]

It's not like GT unpopularity is only because Toriyama wasn't involved on it. It is because it is really bad... and generally Dragon Ball-related stuff that are not crated by Toriyama aren't good.

[Herms]

It's not like GT unpopularity is only because Toriyama wasn't involved on it. It is because it is really bad...

Yeah, Toriyama's involvement in the movies and the TV specials was equally light as what he did for GT, but that didn't stop Broli and Bardock from becoming super-popular.

[batistabus]

I'd rather have Toriyama put his time into something new...side stories like "The Adventures of Satan and Boo!!", maybe some back-story, possibly some Oob training, etc.

[dbboxkaifan]

It's not like GT unpopularity is only because Toriyama wasn't involved on it. It is because it is really bad... and generally Dragon Ball-related stuff that are not crated by Toriyama aren't good.

I like GT's plot, music, characters and being 64 episodes only.

The thing I least adore about GT is the art of the characters' faces, like Cell and Freeza.

[Piccolo Daimao]

generally Dragon Ball-related stuff that are not crated by Toriyama aren't good.

That doesn't make any sense.

[Aoi]

GT didn't have Toriyama's stamp on it. When you watch Dragon Ball, there's a constant focus on improving yourself and training to reach new heights. There was some physical or moral merit to turning SSJ1, SSJ2, and SSJ3. However, turning SSJ4 is an example of how GT just didn't "get" Dragon Ball. Goku just seemed to be at the right place, at the right time. That's it. This is how he became the strongest in the universe in GT.

It's more than a little disheartening and betrays a lot of the principles and motifs established in the manga's narrative. It lacks the anticipation. The build up to a great fight. GT is more "Power Rangers" than anything else. Characters don't grow through adversity. They just beat up Bebi, 17 and Shenron and move on.


Note: I still enjoy GT.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I thought people believed that SS4 was one of the better ideas of GT, because it wasn't yet another SS form stacked upon the others. Technically, it wasn't even a SS form at all, and was just called such for convenience.

You could also argue that doing the same thing of improving yourself and training to reach new heights would just get clichéd, and to an extent, it did by the Boo arc. Not saying what GT did was any better, though.

[Big Momma]

I'd have to agree with what was said above. Back then, it wouldn't have been saved. But now, after so long, I'd be game if Toriyama decided to give it a go. Heck, I'd be down if Toei wanted to remake it.


...okay, maybe not as down for it, but still.

[Fox666]

GT is completely unlike Toriyama. It follows a "monster of the week" style of one-use villains. I just can't see Toriyama working over it.

[Turtle bits]

With Dragonball Online, I'd just...say no to any attempt to redo GT. Goku's story is done in my mind. I wouldn't care for any revisiting anytime soon either. I'd like a new cast with maybe some old faces (Piccolo, for one, could return).

I kinda liked the yin and yang part of GT: the negative energy and positive (energy) of the Dragonballs, even if it was done ever so poorly.

And then, there's Akira (Toriyama). I wouldn't even WANT new Dragonball unless he wanted to make it. If someone creates a new story in the future, I'm open for it, but unless his passion is renewed for the series, it's over as far as I'm concerned.

[Saiga]

generally Dragon Ball-related stuff that are not crated by Toriyama aren't good.

That doesn't make any sense.

I'm not sure how you're unable to make sense of such a simple statement. Why doesn't it make sense?

[DBZ Mick]

Not sure...

The Evil Dragon arc felt Toriyamaish and then some. Starting out with some goofy silly styled Dragons before moving to the serious DBZ like ones such as the 1 star Dragon.

But if he did it now.... Yeah, I guess I could see it working.

[Kingdom Heartless]

I would love to see Dragon Ball GT as a manga. Of course I would want it to be tweaked a bit, with stories improved and in some cases extended.

Another thing I think it would benefit from is being in black and white. I'm not sure why, but the colours of GT just rarely sat right with me... they just always seemed off to me.

A few months ago, someone posted scans from a bootleg GT manga, and it surprisingly looked really good. If it looked as good as that one did, I think I would enjoy reading it.