Are these Cooler, Broly, Gogeta power-levels true?

[demonmist606]

According to wikia they are from a v-jump issue.







Do these really count? I always thought every power-level after Trunks Saga were just mere speculation.

[dario03]

Its from a game or something like that. Theres more info in this thread

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =8&t=18721

And its up to you if you want to count stuff from video games but I would think most wouldn't since its not in the manga or even the anime.

well actually none of those guys are in the manga anyways

[Herms]

In does seem that those are scans of an actual feature that ran in V-Jump, to hype up Coola, Broli, and Gogeta's inclusion in the game DBZ 3/Budokai 3. The 1.4 billion battle power for Broli was also later used in this scouter-centric video game/toy thingy that was only released in Japan. Whether these are supposed to be the characters' "real" battle powers or only applicable to those games is open to interpretation.

[demonmist606]

Its from a game or something like that. Theres more info in this thread

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =8&t=18721

And its up to you if you want to count stuff from video games but I would think most wouldn't since its not in the manga or even the anime.

well actually none of those guys are in the manga anyways

Ha ha no I don't cont games as canon unless somebody here is saying Toriyama had something to do with the games.

Basically I count anything Toriyama created as canon. I know none of them are featured in the manga but Toriyama still created them. Unless it was him that stated that was their power-level I don't see any reason to count it.

Was Toriyama the one that stated that those are their power-level? I know he has gave out couple of different power-levels on jump magazines and such but did he do this? Or was it just the game creator?

[Fox666]

These characters belongs to movies, so you can be sure that Toriyama would never give any information about them except for the notes in Coola and Broli sketches.

Besides battle powers don't exist anymore after the battle with Freeza, it's very unlikely that Toriyama ever tought of how strong the characters would be during the Cell or Majin Boo sagas.

[demonmist606]

These characters belongs to movies, so you can be sure that Toriyama would never give any information about them except for the notes in Coola and Broli sketches.

Besides battle powers don't exist anymore after the battle with Freeza, it's very unlikely that Toriyama ever tought of how strong the characters would be during the Cell or Majin Boo sagas.

How come wikia has Toriyama as the story writer for Return of Cooler, Fusion Reborn, Lord Slug, Super Android 13, and Dead Zone?

[Herms]

Was Toriyama the one that stated that those are their power-level? I know he has gave out couple of different power-levels on jump magazines and such but did he do this? Or was it just the game creator?

None of the extra battle powers given in Weekly Jump or V-Jump are explicitly stated as being from Toriyama.

How come wikia has Toriyama as the story writer for Return of Cooler, Fusion Reborn, Lord Slug, Super Android 13, and Dead Zone?

Because the creators of that wikia are incompetent and have virtually no comprehension of how the series was actually produced.

[demonmist606]

Was Toriyama the one that stated that those are their power-level? I know he has gave out couple of different power-levels on jump magazines and such but did he do this? Or was it just the game creator?

None of the extra battle powers given in Weekly Jump or V-Jump are explicitly stated as being from Toriyama.

What about the power-levels in "The Evolution of Goku's Power Level" then? Did Toriyama make those at least?

[demonmist606]

These characters belongs to movies, so you can be sure that Toriyama would never give any information about them except for the notes in Coola and Broli sketches.

Besides battle powers don't exist anymore after the battle with Freeza, it's very unlikely that Toriyama ever tought of how strong the characters would be during the Cell or Majin Boo sagas.

How come wikia has Toriyama as the story writer for Return of Cooler, Fusion Reborn, Lord Slug, Super Android 13, and Dead Zone?

Actually no I take that back wikia has him credited as the story writer for all the movies except for Wrath of the Dragon. Which is actually quite weird really since Wrath of the Dragon was actually one of the movies that actually made sense and I could picture him write.

[Herms]

What about the power-levels in "The Evolution of Goku's Power Level" then? Did Toriyama make those at least?

Like with the Jump stuff, nothing is explicitly stated in Daizenshuu 7 about Toriyama coming up with those numbers. It's possible he did, but we don't know. In his introduction to Daizenshuu 7, Toriyama does praise the job the staff did making the book and say he wishes he could have used it for reference when making the manga, so I suppose you could take the book's battle powers as "Toriyama approved" if nothing else.

[Fox666]

What about the power-levels in "The Evolution of Goku's Power Level" then? Did Toriyama make those at least?

It could be. I would go further and say it probably did considering the Daizenshuu sourcing. However there is no confirmation of it.

At least in interviews Toriyama mention that Raditz is stronger than a Saibaiman and the Super Saiyan multiply the power by 50, which match the section in Daizenshuu 7.

Actually no I take that back wikia has him credited as the story writer for all the movies except for Wrath of the Dragon. Which is actually quite weird really since Wrath of the Dragon was actually one of the movies that actually made sense and I could picture him write.

A wiki is run by users, you should take everything on it with a grain of salt. Besides, the Dragon Ball Wikia has a long history of blatantly wrong information.

[Herms]

Actually no I take that back wikia has him credited as the story writer for all the movies except for Wrath of the Dragon. Which is actually quite weird really since Wrath of the Dragon was actually one of the movies that actually made sense and I could picture him write.

Toriyama didn't write any of the movies or specials; he only "checked" the plots Toei sent him. The closest he came to actually writing one was in developing the original idea behind the Jump Super Anime Tour special, though the actual script for that was written by Takao Koyama. Koyama is in fact the person who actually wrote the scripts for all the DBZ movies. You can read accurate information on Toriyama's involvement with the movies here.

[Bussani]

Actually no I take that back wikia has him credited as the story writer for all the movies except for Wrath of the Dragon. Which is actually quite weird really since Wrath of the Dragon was actually one of the movies that actually made sense and I could picture him write.

Toriyama is always credited as the original author, i.e. the creator of the franchise, but all of the movies' scripts were done by Takao Koyama. That's probably what the wikia means when they have Toriyama listed under "story" and Koyama under "screenplay", but as usual, they could have made it clearer.

[demonmist606]

Actually no I take that back wikia has him credited as the story writer for all the movies except for Wrath of the Dragon. Which is actually quite weird really since Wrath of the Dragon was actually one of the movies that actually made sense and I could picture him write.

Toriyama is always credited as the original author, i.e. the creator of the franchise, but all of the movies' scripts were done by Takao Koyama. That's probably what the wikia means when they have Toriyama listed under "story" and Koyama under "screenplay", but as usual, they could have made it clearer.

What was confusing was why they did different with Wrath of the Dragon.

Anyways, I'm guessing this is the game the pictures were for judging from the other thread.

[Herms]

Anyways, I'm guessing this is the game the pictures were for judging from the other thread.

No, they were for DBZ 3/DBZ Budokai 3. That was the first of the modern 3D fighting games to feature Coola, Broly, and Gogeta, hence the focus on them.