3 New Dragon Ball Games and Hope for Improvement

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Re: 3 New Dragon Ball Games and Hope for Improvement

Post by dbboxkaifan » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:35 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Since this year is the 10th anniversary of the Budokai series then maybe Dimps will give us a HD collection of the games? As for the Vita, give it time and more people will buy it once more games comes out for it. I can see a Tenkachi Tag Team sequel working for the Vita.
An HD Collection of DBZ 1, DBZ 2 and DBZ 3? It'd be cool but the games as they are, they're great and better graphics won't really improve the game itself.

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Post by DonieZ » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:52 pm

Rocketman wrote:Unless it's BT4 or I can play as Adult ChiChi (or it's that Vegeta-centric God of War style game idea I had), I don't much care by this point.
You won't get BT4 ever unless they develop it on the PS2. I just had an idea, if they did do that, and made it instantly into a HD version for the PS3 then your wish could be answered. The only other way would simply be to improve on ol' so terrible RB2.

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Re: 3 New Dragon Ball Games and Hope for Improvement

Post by dbboxkaifan » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:01 pm

DonieZ wrote:You won't get BT4 ever unless they develop it on the PS2. I just had an idea, if they did do that, and made it instantly into a HD version for the PS3 then your wish could be answered. The only other way would simply be to improve on ol' so terrible RB2.
RB2 isn't terrible, it's actually quite better than RB1 and UT. Then again, it's all just opinions.
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Re: 3 New Dragon Ball Games and Hope for Improvement

Post by goku the krump dancer » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:30 pm

No you're pretty much right, Raging Blast 2 is the better game out of the three but it could still be heavily worked upon to be made a fantastic game.
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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:54 pm

Better smelling shit is still shit. Seriously we haven't had a good game in five years. I'm talking positive critical reception, positive fan reaction and positive sales. You can like any game you like but lets face it, these games are not what they use to be; and even then we weren't getting top tier quality. I'm willing to drop $60 on a decent Dragonball game. The quality of these past installments haven't even been good enough to justify me dropping $30 on them. I'm seriously willing to throw money at Namco-Bandai, the only thing holding me back at this point is Spike. They did a good enough job back with the BT games on the PS2 but I think they are out of ideas now and someone else needs to take over. If Spike is taking on this next project I'm not even going to bother giving it a chance. You are not going to get my hopes up a forth time.

Spike, if you do stick around, work on the Kinect game; that way I don't have to care about what you do.
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SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:Better smelling shit is still shit. Seriously we haven't had a good game in five years. I'm talking positive critical reception, positive fan reaction and positive sales. You can like any game you like but lets face it, these games are not what they use to be; and even then we weren't getting top tier quality. I'm willing to drop $60 on a decent Dragonball game. The quality of these past installments haven't even been good enough to justify me dropping $30 on them. I'm seriously willing to throw money at Namco-Bandai, the only thing holding me back at this point is Spike. They did a good enough job back with the BT games on the PS2 but I think they are out of ideas now and someone else needs to take over. If Spike is taking on this next project I'm not even going to bother giving it a chance. You are not going to get my hopes up a forth time.

Spike, if you do stick around, work on the Kinect game; that way I don't have to care about what you do.
BT3 isn't even any good neither, it completely fails on being a faithful game to the story modes, the characters attacks all look and do the same, the music's shit and the gameplay leaves a lot to desire.

The good thing about BT3 is that it has 160+ characters, some of them are just copy of others already there, like "Goku (Early)" then "Goku (Mid)" and "Goku (End)" they could've covered Goku just in one, but nah, three were needed.

IW does a pretty good job filling some of the fun missions but neither is it faithful. However, it's just another Budokai game.

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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:48 pm

How do you like RB2 but dislike BT3? Both Raging Blast 2 and Budokai Tenkaichi 3 share the same flaws you described; except RB2 lacks some of the content. You can like whatever, but that was a major head tilt right there. In any case, don't count on Capcom to pick up Dragonball anytime soon. As much as I love Capcom I don't see them being attached to anything Dragonball in the foreseeable future. Besides, Namco-Bandai isn't a bad publisher; Spike is the problem not Namco-Bandai.
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Re: 3 New Dragon Ball Games and Hope for Improvement

Post by dbboxkaifan » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:52 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:How do you like RB2 but dislike BT3? Both Raging Blast 2 and Budokai Tenkaichi 3 share the same flaws you described; except RB2 lacks some of the content. You can like whatever, but that was a major head tilt right there. In any case, don't count on Capcom to pick up Dragonball anytime soon. As much as I love Capcom I don't see them being attached to anything Dragonball in the foreseeable future. Besides, Namco-Bandai isn't a bad publisher; Spike is the problem not Namco-Bandai.
BT3 - It's good but not great (close to RB2), I remember there was something annoying on BT3 that got fixed on RB2, can't name it now, though.
RB1 - slow gameplay (after the attack the character would stay still for several secs)
RB2 - Quicker than BT3's and RB1 errors were fixed (I think, haven't played it in a while)

Well, at least Spike included DB + GT on a DBZ game, something Dimps didn't.

I don't really care RB2 didn't have a DBZ story mode, they normally suck anyway.

Spike is capable of making other fighting games than BT/RB look at UT, it had the right idea but was incorrectly handled.
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Post by Rocketman » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:32 am

dbboxkaifan wrote:BT3 isn't even any good neither, it completely fails on being a faithful game to the story modes
Fuck story mode. I will never understand people's obsession with seeing the exact same scenes over and over in every video game.

BT3 gave the tool to re-enact almost any fight you want, but it doesn't have the same ol' cutscenes so IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH WAAH.

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Post by Saiga » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:57 am

I personally preferred RB2 over BT3, BT3 had more fanservice but that's all.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:32 pm

I personally enjoy the 3rd Sparkning game but I feel like the 3rd game add nothing really new other then a better camera and some new characters. I would live RB2 if it was so borning since the game really give us nothing new other then the whole raging soul thing. I found Galaxy mode to be boring and it got old very quick. At least a story mode give me good entertainment and keeps from being bored.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:50 pm

I'm interesting in the Kinect game, it'd either be ridiculously awesome...or awful. :lol:
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Re: 3 New Dragon Ball Games and Hope for Improvement

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:03 pm

The kinect has a mixed track record of games and the chances of it being good are unlikely. I would like to see previews of it first before I can make a full judgement on it.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:10 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:The kinect has a mixed track record of games and the chances of it being good are unlikely. I would like to see previews of it first before I can make a full judgement on it.
The games I've played for Kinect were fantastic and fun to play, those kind of games you're talking about do exist but overall people just like to bash Kinect. -.-

Dragon Ball Z Kamehame-Ha's and Super Saiyan for Kinect are on YouTube, not from Bandai's, but from the Xbox 360 / Windows homebrew community or w/e you want to call it.

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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:29 pm

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Well, at least Spike included DB + GT on a DBZ game, something Dimps didn't.
Go play Budokai 3 and Infinite Worlds again. There are DB and GT characters. I promise.
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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:06 pm

I'm starting to feel like we're in a Sonic Cycle or something. Once that hedgehog broke his track record it was bestowed onto us. ;_;
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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:27 pm

Not a bad analogy at all. Let's see if we can break it down and refocus it a bit for DBZ games (or at least the annualized big fighting game):

STAGE 1: NEW GAME ANNOUNCED (APRIL/MAY)
- first screen shot: Goku vs Vegeta
- if new developer, then promotion of innovative new art direction and gameplay
- if same developer, then promotion of numerous tweaks and refinement of beloved gameplay
- fans hopeful about Namco-Bandai listening to feedback and delivering fresh experience

STAGE 2: PROMOTION CYCLE (JUNE -> OCTOBER)
- developer inevitably revealed to be Spike
- monthly character reveals in batches of three, beginning with movie characters seen in prior games, but not this particular generation
- screen shots showcase battle system from dynamic camera angles, but...
- gameplay appears to be simplified further and further
- upon closer inspection, art style appears to be different just for the sake of being different with same character models from five years ago
- DLC hinted at with pre-orders or collector's edition
- fans worry about lack of development time

STAGE 3: GAME RELEASE (NOVEMBER)
- English title of Japanese name inexplicably changed for English-language release
- DLC never actually released
- gameplay simplified even more than could have been conceived
- fans simultaneously complain about lack of proper story mode AND too many fights stripped directly from the show
- sales plummet compared to previous year's game
- fans call for new developer with a fresh take on the series
- Namco-Bandai announces next new fighting game five/six months later regardless of whatever just happened

I dunno. Rough thoughts jotted down.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:52 pm

VegettoEX wrote:STAGE 3: GAME RELEASE (NOVEMBER)
1. English title of Japanese name inexplicably changed for English-language release
2. DLC never actually released
3. gameplay simplified even more than could have been conceived
4. fans simultaneously complain about lack of proper story mode AND too many fights stripped directly from the show
5. sales plummet compared to previous year's game
6. fans call for new developer with a fresh take on the series
7. Namco-Bandai announces next new fighting game five/six months later regardless of whatever just happened

I dunno. Rough thoughts jotted down.
1. DBZ Ultimate Tenkaichi was chosen by the fans, if I were to vote, I would've preferred the original title "Ultimate Blast".
2. RB1 and RB2 did, UT didn't, however.
3. RB2's gameplay can be easy at times but Galaxy Mode even makes the easy completely hard as hell.
4. That's true, but the trailer did say Ultimate Blast was going to be faithful to the story, it wasn't.
5. Ultimate Blast sold even less copies than Raging Blast 2 did:
6. Here yes, on YouTube they just "thumbs up if you want RB3/BT4" so it doesn't matter to them how bad the game's gotten.
7. Yearly DBZ games, meh.

By the way, why does the Japanese version always keeps the original music exclusive, while the international features a replacement soundtrack? :?
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Post by DonieZ » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:21 pm

It's all opinions. Personally I think the first RB was the best Spike game this generation, and that's due mainly towards my feelings whilst playing them (though I didn't play UT). Since it's not very accurate to depict how good or bad the game was basing on opinions, lets base it on sales. RB sold much more than RB2, and that's much more.

I also really don't get how someone can like/love RB2 but not like BT3, then again I know a fellow on another forum who actually did. He however had valid points and I understand clearly why he didn't like BT3. He liked BT2 too, which in my eyes is very similar to RB2 in what it is to its series as what RB2 is to its series.


@EX Yeah, it does seem to be a cycle of some sorts. We all start off waiting for the first announcement due for April/May, and when it comes there is an explosion of excitement, and no matter how vague the trailer is, hopes are gathered. And as time passes, one of two things happen (3 if you're one of those experienced fans who already know what to expect), either doubt begins to arise as the game looks very similar or really doubtful (in the case of UT; the videos really had me wondering what to expect! I remember upon watching first pieces of gameplay feeling confusion and 'wtf', though I reassured myself it wasn't so..). Game is released, and you're either one of those who are skipping this title, or blindly can't wait to get your copy.

And then there are the guys who 'told you so'.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:01 pm

Burst Limit was the best game of this generation in my opinion. :)
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