Spopovich & Yamu

[Piccolo Daimao]

Why did Spopovich and Yamu say that base Gohan and Kibito's energies were too low, when their plan was to absorb a bunch of humans' powers anyway? I mean, who would they have been trying to look for anyway?

Chapter: 443 (DBZ 249), P11.1-2
Context: while Gohan’s still in his regular form during his match with Kibito
Yamu: “How are they?...”
Spopovitch (checking energy meter): “No, it’s not them. Their energy is low…”

Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P6.3-5
Context: after Gohan becomes a Super Saiyan 2
Spopovitch: “He-hey, look at this…”
*the energy meter spins around*
Yamu: “Stupendous energy…! It’s him!”

Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P2.1-4
Context: after Babidi fills Boo’s ball with Gohan’s energy
Babidi: “Wh-what!? There’s this much energy after just 1 time…! We’ve already gathered close to half in one go…! [ ] How many hundreds of people did Yamu and Spopovitch gather this from!?

The way Bobbodi phrases it doesn't seem as if they'd sent them to the tournament looking specifically for a person with large power, rather that he'd intended them to sap hundreds of people's powers (and please, let's not get into a debate about how "hundreds of regular Earthlings couldn't possibly make up SS2 Gohan's power, because...seriously, guys. It's a generalization, not meant to be analyzed that way).

Or is this just another matter of Toriyama not planning things through?

[Fox666]

Didn't Dabra and Babidi said they couldn't use the energy of Kibito and Kaioshin?

[DBZAOTA482]

A bigger question is why didn't Kaioshin and Kibito do something about Spopovich and Yamu instead being a bunch of assholes and letting them reek havoc, heck why didn't any of the Z-Senshi sense out their Ki? It would have have saved the trouble of dealing with Majin Boo.

[Saiga]

A bigger question is why didn't Kaioshin and Kibito do something about Spopovich and Yamu instead being a bunch of assholes and letting them reek havoc, heck why didn't any of the Z-Senshi sense out their Ki? It would have have saved the trouble of dealing with Majin Boo.

Kaioshin wanted them to steal Gohan's energy so they'd go back to Bobbidi (because they didn't know where Bobbidi was hiding himself) and he told the Z fighters not to interfere.

[DBZAOTA482]

A bigger question is why didn't Kaioshin and Kibito do something about Spopovich and Yamu instead being a bunch of assholes and letting them reek havoc, heck why didn't any of the Z-Senshi sense out their Ki? It would have have saved the trouble of dealing with Majin Boo.

Kaioshin wanted them to steal Gohan's energy so they'd go back to Bobbidi (because they didn't know where Bobbidi was hiding himself) and he told the Z fighters not to interfere.

That plan was rather counterproductive. I don't think anyone with a well-functioning brain would think that would work, it has more holes in it than swiss cheese. The only conclusion I can come to as that Kaioshin is a dumbass. Pure and simple.

[the_abberration]

Why did Spopovich and Yamu say that base Gohan and Kibito's energies were too low, when their plan was to absorb a bunch of humans' powers anyway? I mean, who would they have been trying to look for anyway?

Weren't they former participants in earlier tournaments? If that is the case, maybe they did their research and knew about other former contestants who were stronger (Goku, Tien, Piccolo). Or they saw the Cell games, and were aware of them (or at the least the younger Gohan). So instead of draining a whole bunch of humans, they decided to shortcut and gamble that those strong guys (or Gohan) would show up.

The way Bobbodi phrases it doesn't seem as if they'd sent them to the tournament looking specifically for a person with large power, rather that he'd intended them to sap hundreds of people's powers (and please, let's not get into a debate about how "hundreds of regular Earthlings couldn't possibly make up SS2 Gohan's power, because...seriously, guys. It's a generalization, not meant to be analyzed that way).

If what I theorized earlier was their plan, they probably didn't clue Bobodi in (since Bobodi wouldn't know of people like Goku and the others). Spopovich and Yamu most likely were going to try to impress Bobidi by returning so quickly with the energy he needed.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Why did Spopovich and Yamu say that base Gohan and Kibito's energies were too low, when their plan was to absorb a bunch of humans' powers anyway? I mean, who would they have been trying to look for anyway?

Weren't they former participants in earlier tournaments? If that is the case, maybe they did their research and knew about other former contestants who were stronger (Goku, Tenshinhan, Piccolo). Or they saw the Cell games, and were aware of them (or at the least the younger Gohan). So instead of draining a whole bunch of humans, they decided to shortcut and gamble that those strong guys (or Gohan) would show up.

All that's known is that Spopovich lost in the first round of the last tournament (which would be the 24th Tenkaichi Budoukai, where the Z-Warriors didn't enter and Mr. Satan won). So they probably weren't present at the former tournaments and everyone seemed to have instantly believed that the Z-Warriors were just using a bunch of tricks at the Cell Games and Mr. Satan was the real one who killed Cell, so why would Spopovich and Yamu be any different? It's a good point, though.

But Bobbodi doesn't mention anything about the Z-Warriors, since when he's surprised at how much energy they gathered, he thinks that they'd tapped hundreds of humans. And Dabra said there was no-one on Earth like them when he had an underling check 300 years ago. They also don't seem to know who the hell they are, believing them to be Earthlings and are constantly shocked by their strengths.

The way Bobbodi phrases it doesn't seem as if they'd sent them to the tournament looking specifically for a person with large power, rather that he'd intended them to sap hundreds of people's powers (and please, let's not get into a debate about how "hundreds of regular Earthlings couldn't possibly make up SS2 Gohan's power, because...seriously, guys. It's a generalization, not meant to be analyzed that way).

If what I theorized earlier was their plan, they probably didn't clue Bobodi in (since Bobodi wouldn't know of people like Goku and the others). Spopovich and Yamu most likely were going to try to impress Bobidi by returning so quickly with the energy he needed.

Again, we don't know when Bobbodi possessed them (to me, it seemed to be that it was fairly recently). Like I said, as far as we know, Spopovich had only entered in the 24th Tenkaichi Budoukai, where the Z-Warriors weren't present and Mr. Satan, believed to be the strongest in the universe (since the population's IQ apparently all took a massive drop and they forgot about everything prior to the Cell arc).

I think it's merely a plothole. That line had always confused me.

[the_abberration]

All that's known is that Spopovich lost in the first round of the last tournament (which would be the 24th Tenkaichi Budoukai, where the Z-Warriors didn't enter and Mr. Satan won). So they probably weren't present at the former tournaments and everyone seemed to have instantly believed that the Z-Warriors were just using a bunch of tricks at the Cell Games and Mr. Satan was the real one who killed Cell, so why would Spopovich and Yamu be any different? It's a good point, though.

But Bobbodi doesn't mention anything about the Z-Warriors, since when he's surprised at how much energy they gathered, he thinks that they'd tapped hundreds of humans. And Dabra said there was no-one on Earth like them when he had an underling check 300 years ago. They also don't seem to know who the hell they are, believing them to be Earthlings and are constantly shocked by their strengths.

Again, we don't know when Bobbodi possessed them (to me, it seemed to be that it was fairly recently). Like I said, as far as we know, Spopovich had only entered in the 24th Tenkaichi Budoukai, where the Z-Warriors weren't present and Mr. Satan, believed to be the strongest in the universe (since the population's IQ apparently all took a massive drop and they forgot about everything prior to the Cell arc).

I think it's merely a plothole. That line had always confused me.

They wouldn't need to be present at previous tournaments, to do research on them. Videl did so to find out about Goku and confronted Gohan about it IIRC. Also I believe Videl recognized Gohan as the kid from the Cell games, and deduced that he was the one to have beaten Cell. So I don't see why Spopovich and Yamu could not have done the same thing.

In that context their statements would be plausible, since they would have some knowledge that people like Gohan existed. Considering that in the second statement that he outright says it's him, suggests that they may have watching the Cell games recognized Gohan when he went SSJ2 (since he was blonde haired during the part that was televised).

Maybe they suspected the black haired Gohan was the guy, but had no power reading to confirm. When he powered up and his hair turned blonde, it confirmed their suspicions.

Also as I pointed out on my previous post, Bobodi not knowing about strong warriors like Goku and everyone else is the whole point, if Spopovich and Yamu were planning on surprising / win favor with him by getting the energy ahead of schedule, by tapping them instead of going after hundreds of humans. It would be kinda hard to fool Babodi if he was already aware of stronger beings don't you think??

[Jackal puFF]

A bigger question is why didn't Kaioshin and Kibito do something about Spopovich and Yamu instead being a bunch of assholes and letting them reek havoc, heck why didn't any of the Z-Senshi sense out their Ki? It would have have saved the trouble of dealing with Majin Boo.

Kaioshin wanted them to steal Gohan's energy so they'd go back to Bobbidi (because they didn't know where Bobbidi was hiding himself) and he told the Z fighters not to interfere.

That plan was rather counterproductive. I don't think anyone with a well-functioning brain would think that would work, it has more holes in it than swiss cheese. The only conclusion I can come to as that Kaioshin is a dumbass. Pure and simple.

Yeah it wasn't a good plan whatsoever. You'd think for a guy being alive for so long would have thought of a better plan to find them.

[dbgtFO]

It definitely seemed like Spopovitch and Yamu were looking for one hugely powerful guy in particular(Yamu: It's him!).
Perhaps it is as the_abberration has suggested and the two wanted to impress Babidi or something?

[Piccolo Daimao]

All that's known is that Spopovich lost in the first round of the last tournament (which would be the 24th Tenkaichi Budoukai, where the Z-Warriors didn't enter and Mr. Satan won). So they probably weren't present at the former tournaments and everyone seemed to have instantly believed that the Z-Warriors were just using a bunch of tricks at the Cell Games and Mr. Satan was the real one who killed Cell, so why would Spopovich and Yamu be any different? It's a good point, though.

But Bobbodi doesn't mention anything about the Z-Warriors, since when he's surprised at how much energy they gathered, he thinks that they'd tapped hundreds of humans. And Dabra said there was no-one on Earth like them when he had an underling check 300 years ago. They also don't seem to know who the hell they are, believing them to be Earthlings and are constantly shocked by their strengths.

Again, we don't know when Bobbodi possessed them (to me, it seemed to be that it was fairly recently). Like I said, as far as we know, Spopovich had only entered in the 24th Tenkaichi Budoukai, where the Z-Warriors weren't present and Mr. Satan, believed to be the strongest in the universe (since the population's IQ apparently all took a massive drop and they forgot about everything prior to the Cell arc).

I think it's merely a plothole. That line had always confused me.

They wouldn't need to be present at previous tournaments, to do research on them. Videl did so to find out about Goku and confronted Gohan about it IIRC. Also I believe Videl recognized Gohan as the kid from the Cell games, and deduced that he was the one to have beaten Cell. So I don't see why Spopovich and Yamu could not have done the same thing.

In that context their statements would be plausible, since they would have some knowledge that people like Gohan existed. Considering that in the second statement that he outright says it's him, suggests that they may have watching the Cell games recognized Gohan when he went SSJ2 (since he was blonde haired during the part that was televised).

Maybe they suspected the black haired Gohan was the guy, but had no power reading to confirm. When he powered up and his hair turned blonde, it confirmed their suspicions.

Also as I pointed out on my previous post, Bobodi not knowing about strong warriors like Goku and everyone else is the whole point, if Spopovich and Yamu were planning on surprising / win favor with him by getting the energy ahead of schedule, by tapping them instead of going after hundreds of humans. It would be kinda hard to fool Babodi if he was already aware of stronger beings don't you think??

Ah, yeah, I understand now. That makes sense.